Delta Pilot's Pay Raise (part 1)

[Pez D. Spencer]

... and the emporer's new clothes look cool too...

Let us all hope that there will be something left that's viable by the time there is a "master plan" and you all get around to endorsing it. Let us hope more that the "master plan" you keep waiting for doesn't turn out to be bankruptcy.

And that about sums it up.

But, wait, he can't do that -- every shareholder would sue him... Oh yeah, sueing(sp?) for something of nothing still leaves you with nothing. Why would Grimstein give up control to a judge??? Because he can't control it himself???

Take a big breath and.............hold........

 

[bvt1151]

Many people have misunderstood some of my postings. I don't think the average ASA FO should give up a dime--especially if that is 5% of his hourly wage. I was mostly talking about the other mainline Delta employees who are being overlooked due to the fact that Grinstein doesn't want extra unions on the property. I know that we--the mainline pilots---should take the brunt of this---and that is fine with me. But to shoulder it all on us and blame us for everything wrong here is stupid. As far as I can remember--I didn't propose a $2.6 billion stock buy back pre-911 that vaporized shortly there after. I just drive a large bus. I think everyone involved should give up something----and that is up to them and their "people" to come up with something. Just because we NEGOTIATED a great contract doesn't mean that we are the ONLY targets---especially since all of the other mainline employees are all old and get paid five times the normal rate of their peers---and most of the other majors included everyone also. (Industry Standard---for 30 year plus people---and we have ten times more of those than everyone else.) It should be handled fairly--and I still think we should take the largest hit.


Clear as mud?

Bye Bye--General Lee

I like this post, General, and I hope the attitude doesn't change. The major difference with this post and other posts (not necessarily by you) is that you're calling for cuts by other employees at mainline, while other Delta pilots are calling for cuts a Comair and ASA.

I honestly think pilot concessions at ASA/CMR is something very detrimental to the Delta pilots' position. As I posted earlier, at most you could only get $35 million in concessions, which is still minimal compared to Delta's losses. The decrease in pay would have a downward pressure on your wages worth much much more than $35 million a year out of your pockets. It always gets emotional, especially with pilot egos, on both sides. The hardest part is doing what's best, even if it hurts the ego. That's not a message only to Delta pilots, but Comair and ASA as well.

 

[N2264J]

Re: Please Shoot Me

The original poster's concern was that if DAL heads to BK, a judge will take a carving knife to everyone's contract. Thus the desire to see DAL pilots take a pay cut is one of self interest.

To my way of thinking, it's in every employee's interest, including the mainline pilots, to keep the company out of bankruptcy and make it competitive in today's marketplace.

The longer the Delta pilots wait, the bigger that cut is going to have to be. Mainline pilots will rue the day a judge gets hold of their contract. They will have no control over what comes out including their pension.

 

[General Lee]

I keep trying to say this-----I really don't think Dalpa will take too long after hearing the "plan" to decide to help. But, there has to be a good plan---and the failures of USAir are apparent. Grinstein is the one who has pushed back the time table, and Dalpa has been willing to negotiate the whole time----including right NOW. Gas prices aren't going to help us this Summer, but full loads will---and maybe they will offset each other somewhat.

And Surplus1---I think it would be great if you and Fins were my two "right hand and left hand" men---but NO over throw plots--ok?

Bye Bye--General Lee