Delta Pilots Begin Vote

[JohnQ]

You are allowing management to divide us from the start. You are playing right along with their game.

No we are not. You need to take a step back. When you are looking at all this two years from now, with your massively improved contract and pay rates (and improved for me as well) I think you will realize that the whole deal was very cleverly done.

Or you can be like this guy...recently I flew with a guy who told me a story about a former Western guy. This guy was the #1 guy on the MD-11 out of ATL, and in the previous year, with lots of overtime, had made nearly $500,000! He was going to make nearly $300,000 a year in retirement!

And he bitched every second of a 3-day 27 hour trip to Narita about how "ALPA screwed me in the merger."

At some point, if you want to believe something bad enough (like aforementioned M11 captain), you will, no matter how firmly the facts are beating you upside the head.

 

[PuffDriver]

Really? And what makes you the authority, your apparent ego? Moak walked out, now he will have to lower the expectations of the group in order to present a reasonable offer to an arbitrator. These are not my words and concepts mind you. Think "big dogs".

I don't think you know nearly as much as you think you do. You have no idea what an arbitrator will rule. NWA is your only hope of weathering the upcoming storm. Better start sweet talking us bubba.

There is nothing unreasonable about straight relative seniority. It is an extremely viable position, unless you are a NWA pilot who thinks that you should get some kind of credit for possible retirements, a substandard contract from several different vantage points, and "premium widebody" flying which pays the same as 757 domestic. Why does looking at past mergers give me an "ego"?

As far as NWA "saving" us, puulleeaassee. A look at the last quarter shows the trend. It will get worse with time. Neither carrier will be out of BK before long. Delta is better positioned for the downturn, as we have a larger international presence. None of it matters. The merger IS going to happen. Delta pilots might be able to stop it, NWA pilots cannot stop it. My suggestion is to get onboard with a reasonable SLI or get cracking with your self doom.

 

[PuffDriver]

Looks like we have management plants cheerleading this deal.

The floor is where your careers are going after you allow 255 70 seaters on the property.

I guess when you really have no excuse as to your MECs behavior, we suddenly have to resort to the "management plant" theory.

The purpose of the LOA is simple, to allow the merger to go forward. Also, it provides insurance that the NWA pilot group decides to pull little stunts to start getting in the way of the merger, delay tactics, going on vacation again, not showing up prepared again, etc. If they choose this course, it allows the Delta pilots increases in their compensation package. Hopefully, it will never be used.

 

[slapstick]

ALPA rep mentioned another purpose of the LOA is to keep Delta pilots in Delta-painted planes in the near term (should the SLI get drawn out). It would prevent them from using less-paid NWA guys to fly our 757's, for example. Is it true that US Airways shifted the AWA airbuses over to be flown by East guys because they have cheaper rates?

 

[zonker]

I guess when you really have no excuse as to your MECs behavior, we suddenly have to resort to the "management plant" theory.

The purpose of the LOA is simple, to allow the merger to go forward. Also, it provides insurance that the NWA pilot group decides to pull little stunts to start getting in the way of the merger, delay tactics, going on vacation again, not showing up prepared again, etc. If they choose this course, it allows the Delta pilots increases in their compensation package. Hopefully, it will never be used.

I don't work for NWA.

But any idiot who signs an LOA giving away that much flying to the lowest bidder deserves exactly what they're going to get. Walking papers in five years.

 

[aircowboy]

Those "substandard rates" were agreed to to save the pensions. What kind of pension do you have puffdaddy? Oh wait you dont.

 

[Occam's Razor]

It appears the "You're a poopy-head!" immaturity has spread to this thread too.

Think I'll go hang out at a Pre-School playground. I could use the elevated discourse.

 

[JAM-BRO]

Do you think having 1000 phantom pilots, who haven't been hired yet by DAL, is reasonable?

Moak walked out because he had made a resonable offer, and it was declined.

 

[General Lee]

Do you think having 1000 phantom pilots, who haven't been hired yet by DAL, is reasonable?

So, are we going to hire another 1000 pilots at Delta before you guys get your act together and agree to relative seniority (either through your own ability or the likely award by an arbitrator)? Great. My relative seniority is really shooting straight up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Really? And what makes you the authority, your apparent ego? Moak walked out, now he will have to lower the expectations of the group in order to present a reasonable offer to an arbitrator. These are not my words and concepts mind you. Think "big dogs".

I don't think you know nearly as much as you think you do. You have no idea what an arbitrator will rule. NWA is your only hope of weathering the upcoming storm. Better start sweet talking us bubba.

This really is laughable. Your entitlement issues mirror the Easties of USAir. Wow.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[MXAV8R]

Man you NWA guys are just so blind...sad

 

[nwaredtail]

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[DTW320]

Man you NWA guys are just so blind...sad

Dude, tomorrow you've been at DAL for 2 months. I've got Clif Bars in my flight bag with more seniority.

I see you're mainlining the Koolaide right out of the gate....sad

 

[nwaredtail]

Dude, tomorrow you've been at DAL for 2 months. I've got Clif Bars in my flight bag with more seniority.

I see you're mainlining the Koolaide right out of the gate....sad

Give him a break, there is no where for him to go but down or sideways. I understand his position. Sucks being junior.

 

[dtfl]

I don't work for NWA.

Then you obviously dont have the LOA paperwork with the real truth...so...GO AWAY.

 

[dtfl]

Dude, tomorrow you've been at DAL for 2 months. I've got Clif Bars in my flight bag with more seniority.

I see you're mainlining the Koolaide right out of the gate....sad

...and how many times have you used those idiotic words.."..you guys are throwing us under the bus!!"??

 

[General Lee]

Dude, tomorrow you've been at DAL for 2 months. I've got Clif Bars in my flight bag with more seniority.

I see you're mainlining the Koolaide right out of the gate....sad

The way we are hiring (or will be hiring later this year), he may be senior to you after the relative seniority integration.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[hockeypilot44]

The way we are hiring (or will be hiring later this year), he may be senior to you after the relative seniority integration.

Bye Bye--General Lee

The merger was announced April 14th. Anybody hired at Delta after that date will probably end up junior to every single NWA pilot if the lists actually end up getting integrated. This is a precedent from previous mergers. Usually the arbitrator doesn't even consider anyone hired after the merger date. This is just my opinion. NWA's last class was the first week of April.

 

[nwaredtail]

The merger was announced April 14th. Anybody hired at Delta after that date will probably end up junior to every single NWA pilot if the lists actually end up getting integrated. This is a precedent from previous mergers. Usually the arbitrator doesn't even consider anyone hired after the merger date. This is just my opinion. NWA's last class was the first week of April.

Get em General and Puff

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I'm pretty junior too... The furlough protection is just a bit prettier sounding garbage than what is already in there- and include my butt in there. So... blah blah.

Scope... it's the same thing as is currently had at both carriers- the only exception had to be made, ironically, for the NWA ERJ-175s.

Pay- well, it's something to hold us over if it becomes a long and drawn out thing. It's a bit better than our current contractual raises and we had dang well have a joint contract before then.

Equity- I can sell it the moment I get it... that is all that I care about, although it does tick me off how much more the senior guys are getting.


So what is the theme here? Money. The other stuff isn't any worse than the current contract... and it has some protections to make sure that our flying is protected if we end up having a joint operation while still under two different contracts.