Delta Pilots Association

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I don't think he is trying to divide the group.

Yes, he is.... There is strength in numbers. Effectiveness comes from two places: Govt and grassroots efforts.

The more 'different' voices there are when speaking to the govt the weaker the message.... It is all about dealing with Congress, the WH, the nmb, FAA, DOT, DOJ... and that is just nationally...

Move into the int'l world and the DAL pilots going solo will be like the APA.... small, weak and simply trying to keep up....

He, like many pilots here, sees the need in in house unity. What's wrong with that?

Because it is attractive but it is a facade. The desire to go in house is like Texas trying to secede the USA. It sounds great and smells like rugged individualism, but the realities are completely different.

Wouldn't you want a union that votes SOLELY for the Delta pilot group?

Why? Not that the DAL pilots strike... but if they did, would they want ALPA pilots to honor their struck work? Can you afford a MCF?

The whole point to having a union is to have one voice.

That can be done... but it takes effort. I can assure you that most pilots think ALPA is a service that they buy in the free market. With a 100% return policy.... it gets old...

Do you think ALPA is as efficient as it used to be? I don't.

Can you be more specific? Define in a time frame "as it used to be"? Would that be the 1990s when the economy was growing? Or was that in the late 80s when Pan Am shut down and Eastern died?

Don't you think a group with an interest in the actual outcome would be more effective? I do.

I think you are looking at generalities and not hard reality. Can you provide a specific example?

Regional flying? Who voted to give away the scope? I find it interesting that a pilot group actively voted to create the regional industry and then blames an organization as a whole for the effect?

Don't major airline pilots bear the responsibility for voting away scope? So instead of calling for ALPA's head why not look in the mirror?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Southwest does fine with an in house union and so can we.

Southwest buys services from ALPA that can't provide for themselves.. SWAPA joined CAPA because their DC presence was weak...

SWAPA enjoys a management that views pilots as partners... Don't blame ALPA because UAL, CAL, NWA, DAL management are more adversarial...