Delta Pilots Association

[andyd]

For those of us tired of the pandering of ALPA and the mis-direction of the DALPA "top-down" structure: There is an alternative! The time for change is now, the time for internal representation is now, the time for Delta Pilots representing themselves and putting thier interests first is NOW. 100% of Delta Pilots dues money +/- $27,000,000 per year staying in house is NOW...to be put to work for the Delta Pilots and Mainline Interest's is NOW.

Educate yourselves, tone out the naysayers, make a decision and stand up for what is right: Delta Pilots, flying ALL Delta's passengers and an Association representing WITHOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Delta Pilots!!!

For more information:

www.DeltaPilotsAssociation.org

 

[Raoul Duke]

That dues number is amazing. No one in their right mind can claim that ALPA returns $27,000,000 in value to the Delta pilots annually. An in-house union with that budget could provide a much better produc to their workgroup.

 

[Flyer1015]

This just goes to prove my point there is no unity anymore. It's a me-me attitude, and obviously quite a few Delta pilots are not appreciating the fact their dues can be used for other ALPA carriers. ALPA has become a joke, due largely to the members within it. We are our own worst enemies.

 

[AirMorgan]

This just goes to prove my point there is no unity anymore. It's a me-me attitude, and obviously quite a few Delta pilots are not appreciating the fact their dues can be used for other ALPA carriers. ALPA has become a joke, due largely to the members within it. We are our own worst enemies.

You have a valid point. But what did ALPA do for TWA when AMR came knocking on the door? They fully supported the acquisition, then they let those guys down...in a big way!

"The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which represents pilots with Trans World Airlines (TWA), has indicated that its members support the proposed sale of TWA to AMR Corp, the parent company of American Airlines... Bob Pastore, chairman of the TWA ALPA Master Executive Council, told the Committee: 'We believe that, at this time, American is the only airline that has recognized the tremendous benefits TWA and its employees bring to the table and respected these benefits with a complete, fair and sound offer.'"

I'm not saying an in house union will solve everything (just look at APA). But SWAPA seems quite effective. And ALPA has really dropped the ball as of late.

 

[andyd]

This just goes to prove my point there is no unity anymore. It's a me-me attitude, and obviously quite a few Delta pilots are not appreciating the fact their dues can be used for other ALPA carriers. ALPA has become a joke, due largely to the members within it. We are our own worst enemies.

You are absolutely right, I do NOT appreciate my dues money supporting other ALPA carriers. DALPA $$ should stay in house and be used to further the career progression of the DAL pilot....NOT the RJ Pilot competing for my job and flying.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Exactly, nor should it go to subsidize the services provded to my company's competitors. I would venture to guess that Delta pilots receive services valued at less than 20% of their total dues payments (during negotiations) and less than 5% during non negotiating years. Think about it 5% of $27,000,000 is $1,350,000 - that easily support the salaries of the attorneys and staff that support the Delta pilots and eaily overs the Delta pilot dedicated overhead (i.e. office space etc). 20% = $5,400,000 - enough for ALPA National to have money fights every Friday at the Delta pilots expense. It is absolutely stupid that this money goes elsewhere.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

For those of us tired of the pandering of ALPA and the mis-direction of the DALPA "top-down" structure: There is an alternative! The time for change is now, the time for internal representation is now, the time for Delta Pilots representing themselves and putting thier interests first is NOW. 100% of Delta Pilots dues money +/- $27,000,000 per year staying in house is NOW...to be put to work for the Delta Pilots and Mainline Interest's is NOW.

Educate yourselves, tone out the naysayers, make a decision and stand up for what is right: Delta Pilots, flying ALL Delta's passengers and an Association representing WITHOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Delta Pilots!!!

For more information:

www.DeltaPilotsAssociation.org

You are just a monkey and management's tool to divide the group!!!

Andy D....man up and post your name or just continue to lurk in the shadows like an army of one with no sack......Doubtful you will so a real debate can start instead of the crap pot being stirred on FI.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Gee....and just when Lee about to be elected ALPA President

 

[Linedriver]

You are just a monkey and management's tool to divide the group!!!

Andy D....man up and post your name or just continue to lurk in the shadows like an army of one with no sack......Doubtful you will so a real debate can start instead of the crap pot being stirred on FI.

I don't think he is trying to divide the group. He, like many pilots here, sees the need in in house unity. What's wrong with that? Wouldn't you want a union that votes SOLELY for the Delta pilot group?

The whole point to having a union is to have one voice. Do you think ALPA is as efficient as it used to be? I don't. Don't you think a group with an interest in the actual outcome would be more effective? I do.

 

[PCL_128]

Gee....and just when Lee about to be elected ALPA President

I wouldn't bet on that.

Wouldn't you want a union that votes SOLELY for the Delta pilot group?

You already have that. The Delta MEC controls all ALPA activity at Delta Air Lines. No one from outside Delta has any control over what ALPA does at your airline. What ALPA brings is the resources that your MEC has at their disposal. Even with your rather large dues revenue stream, you still can't afford the dozens of specialists that ALPA has for every contingency. The only way to do that is through economies of scale. That means you need ALPA.

Do you think ALPA is as efficient as it used to be? I don't.

Neither do I. So what is the solution to that problem? It isn't getting rid of ALPA. That's a fool's errand. You'll only be left with a less effective union with tons of internal growing pains that will never end. The solution is a reformed ALPA, and for that, we need a reformer as ALPA President. Captain Paul Rice is running on a reform platform. He wants to completely revamp the ALPA representational and financial structure to make them more effective. That's the solution; not isolationism.