Delta Parking 767's rumor

[Taco Rocket]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...t-on-economy-unrest-dents-fourth-quarter.html

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Delta is waiting for the results of the buy out offer. Then they will determine the number of furloughs. They should start soon.

........says the furloughed American pilot now working at Jet Blew!

 

[hockeypilot44]

I don't think there's a Delta pilot on property right now worried about getting furloughed.

 

[General Lee]

I don't think there's a Delta pilot on property right now worried about getting furloughed.

I'm not worried at all. I don't think anyone should be. There will be a normal slow down in the Fall, followed by a big ramp up for Spring and Summer. Same as always. Oil prices have come down 15% over the last two weeks. Retirements are in the pipeline. There is an expensive flown down to Compass and Mesaba that stopped any furlough during the 2008 recession. No need to get dramatic here.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Delta is waiting for the results of the buy out offer. Then they will determine the number of furloughs. They should start soon.

WHAT? What buy out offer are you talking about? There are no plans for any furloughs. And if you notice the flying reduction for the Fall in the North Atlantic, it is for all 4 Skyteam airlines, not just Delta.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Another thing on the capacity reduction this Fall. If you look at the schedules, DL is putting a lot of A330-300s on Trans Atlantic stuff this Summer. That is a heck of a lot bigger than the normal 767-300ER that used to fly those routes. If you replaced those planes after labor day with 767ERs, wouldn't that mean a large CAPACITY reduction? What if you just moved those planes to fly Southern Routes during the South American Summer (and our Winter)? That would equal a CAPACITY REDUCTION for the FALL, by just switching planes around. This Summer DL has put A333s on ATL to BCN, DUB, and FCO, and JFK to ATH, BCN, and DTW to FCO (which is Seasonal). Add to that the ATL to Venice and Athens service that is always seasonal on the 767ER that always goes away after Labor Day, and there is the Capacity reduction. There will be some temporary parkings too (some 744s), but they will be getting new lie flat seats and new IFE systems, and that is a perfect time to do that.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

Another thing on the capacity reduction this Fall. If you look at the schedules, DL is putting a lot of A330-300s on Trans Atlantic stuff this Summer. That is a heck of a lot bigger than the normal 767-300ER that used to fly those routes. If you replaced those planes after labor day with 767ERs, wouldn't that mean a large CAPACITY reduction? What if you just moved those planes to fly Southern Routes during the South American Summer (and our Winter)? That would equal a CAPACITY REDUCTION for the FALL, by just switching planes around. This Summer DL has put A333s on ATL to BCN, DUB, and FCO, and JFK to ATH, BCN, and DTW to FCO (which is Seasonal). Add to that the ATL to Venice and Athens service that is always seasonal on the 767ER that always goes away after Labor Day, and there is the Capacity reduction. There will be some temporary parkings too (some 744s), but they will be getting new lie flat seats and new IFE systems, and that is a perfect time to do that.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Good old Delta and their capacity reductions. That's what they're known for there. Capacity reductions...and pay cuts...and furloughs...and farming out flying.

 

[SLUF4]

Good old Delta and their capacity reductions. That's what they're known for there. Capacity reductions...and pay cuts...and furloughs...and farming out flying.

Don't you have anything better to do?

 

[Tanker Clown]

Don't you have anything better to do?

Probably. But same could be said for Genitals Lee. I wish you Delta guys had better things to do other than bring down the lifestyle of a commercial airline pilot. And then brag about how awesome you are.

 

[poppi]

Probably. But same could be said for Genitals Lee. I wish you Delta guys had better things to do other than bring down the lifestyle of a commercial airline pilot. And then brag about how awesome you are.

If you were getting on at Southwest as you claim you really would not be focusing on Delta now would you.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Don't you have anything better to do?

He should be servicing his colonel.:blush:
Watch how much trouble he gets in for not faxing those important papers or for not getting his superior officer his coffee in a timely manner.

 

[Tanker Clown]

If you were getting on at Southwest as you claim you really would not be focusing on Delta now would you.

You have to focus on Delta because their pilots are spineless and have been doing everything in their power to bring down this profession. 12 domestic codeshare partners, agreeing to have their contracts torn up, taking pay cuts...ect. All the while tool boxes like GL, OYS, and Scope tell us how great Song is and how bad SWA is. Meanwhile, SWA FOs make more than Song narrow body CAs, they are breaking RJ codeshares, hiring pilots, and getting better contracts every few years. Maybe Delta pilots could form a union and that would help them finally act like men instead of male stewardesses.

 

[DYLIN]

Not sure parking a 744 would even make much of a difference. Aren't there 2 spares out of the 16 as it is? They could just turn away a bit of military flying for the time it's getting modified. Sounds like zero reduction to me. They probably just want to make Wall Street happy -- the stock price goes up every time they announce one of these cutbacks.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You have to focus on Delta because their pilots are spineless and have been doing everything in their power to bring down this profession. 12 domestic codeshare partners, agreeing to have their contracts torn up, taking pay cuts...ect. All the while tool boxes like GL, OYS, and Scope tell us how great Song is and how bad SWA is. Meanwhile, SWA FOs make more than Song narrow body CAs, they are breaking RJ codeshares, hiring pilots, and getting better contracts every few years. Maybe Delta pilots could form a union and that would help them finally act like men instead of male stewardesses.

Your office must be real busy after that crash in Ventura. Is that why you're on the computer so much lately? The boss out of the office?
Well sparky, fluff up those knee pads if you want a raise to pay for that job at southwest. You got lots of scrubbing of toilets and cups of coffee to make.:laugh:

 

[Hamfighter]

Capacity reductions...and pay cuts...and furloughs...and farming out flying.

Delta would never...aw, nuts.

 

[puddlejumper101]

You have to focus on Delta because their pilots are spineless and have been doing everything in their power to bring down this profession. 12 domestic codeshare partners, agreeing to have their contracts torn up, taking pay cuts...ect. All the while tool boxes like GL, OYS, and Scope tell us how great Song is and how bad SWA is. Meanwhile, SWA FOs make more than Song narrow body CAs, they are breaking RJ codeshares, hiring pilots, and getting better contracts every few years. Maybe Delta pilots could form a union and that would help them finally act like men instead of male stewardesses.

I normally don't agree with what you say, but in this case...I do believe you hit the nail in the head. The General and his disciples love to hijack SWA threads thumping their chest acting like Delta is all that and more. They are like politicians, trying to distract the masses with someone elses problem while their own mess is just as bad, if not worse.

 

[General Lee]

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“These higher fuel prices are going to be the new normal,” he said. Despite the headwinds, Delta should produce as much as $700 million in free cash flow from its operations in the current quarter as new revenue initiatives are already paying dividends, he added.

Booking trends will remain robust in nearly all areas of Delta’s network for the summer, with a demand recovery in Japan likely to further strengthen this fall as that country recovers from the earthquake and tsunami, Ed said.

And he’s optimistic that regulators will soon approve a slot swap between Delta and US Airways that will give Delta a bigger presence at New York-LaGuardia. The long-pending transaction would boost Delta’s New York market share.




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

Well GL, you're right. Delta is a strong viable airline. Thanks for posting the talking points of your CEO who's main job (other than trying to plug leaks on a sinking ship) is to prop up the stock price and get suckers to buy it. Hopefully those suckers who held DAL stock right up to CH 11 either have short memories or haven't warned new investors to what a bad operation being run at Delta.
I'm sure Delta has a bright future. I'm sure their pilots will do ANYTHING mgt needs to bump up the stock price. I'll just take the General's word for it and ignore the constant bleeding of cash. You're right General, Delta is awesome. Hopefully the SWA pilot group can follow in your footsteps.

 

[twobits]

Come on people, do you honestly think the 747-400 is going to make it past summer 2012? They will be gone; history. 777's will do that job, some even being flown by Delta and most by codeshares (sad reality). The A-330 is not nearly as good as some people think it is. It cannot take a full load of passengers and cargo to any european destination; or back.

Delta always furloughs.... so if you think you are safe - then ask the A seat guys you fly with if they expected to be furloughed when they were in the 90's? Delta is going to pare back a huge amount of capacity starting September and close one base. Green slips are being handed out due to temporary shortages (i.e. - not worth hiring somebody and training them, just to furlough them). If you are on the bottom of the list - then at least be prepared! Nobody in MGT is going to tell you they will be furloughing - then sick calls go up!

The amount of misinformation (wishful thinking) on this board is amazing.

 

[asadonkey]

Well GL, you're right. Delta is a strong viable airline. Thanks for posting the talking points of your CEO who's main job (other than trying to plug leaks on a sinking ship) is to prop up the stock price and get suckers to buy it. Hopefully those suckers who held DAL stock right up to CH 11 either have short memories or haven't warned new investors to what a bad operation being run at Delta.
I'm sure Delta has a bright future. I'm sure their pilots will do ANYTHING mgt needs to bump up the stock price. I'll just take the General's word for it and ignore the constant bleeding of cash. You're right General, Delta is awesome. Hopefully the SWA pilot group can follow in your footsteps.

God you need some new material, or even better......a new hobby !

 

[Rough67]

sigh..

Come on people, do you honestly think the 747-400 is going to make it past summer 2012? They will be gone; history. 777's will do that job, some even being flown by Delta and most by codeshares (sad reality). The A-330 is not nearly as good as some people think it is. It cannot take a full load of passengers and cargo to any european destination; or back.

Delta always furloughs.... so if you think you are safe - then ask the A seat guys you fly with if they expected to be furloughed when they were in the 90's? Delta is going to pare back a huge amount of capacity starting September and close one base. Green slips are being handed out due to temporary shortages (i.e. - not worth hiring somebody and training them, just to furlough them). If you are on the bottom of the list - then at least be prepared! Nobody in MGT is going to tell you they will be furloughing - then sick calls go up!

The amount of misinformation (wishful thinking) on this board is amazing.

Well geez, that was great! You are very informed! I guess we should all listen to you and tell management they need your help. Instead of spewing useless, wishful thinking (apparently pain/furlough for junior folks), save it and stop typing.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Who do you work for? Do you know what the lease rates are for the whales? What about cargo capacity? Having flown the 330, I disagree with you. Hot day in Rome to ATL with a long flight plan. Maybe some small restrictions. Overall, a good aircraft. Me thinks you are a chicken little.

Come on people, do you honestly think the 747-400 is going to make it past summer 2012? They will be gone; history. 777's will do that job, some even being flown by Delta and most by codeshares (sad reality). The A-330 is not nearly as good as some people think it is. It cannot take a full load of passengers and cargo to any european destination; or back.

Delta always furloughs.... so if you think you are safe - then ask the A seat guys you fly with if they expected to be furloughed when they were in the 90's? Delta is going to pare back a huge amount of capacity starting September and close one base. Green slips are being handed out due to temporary shortages (i.e. - not worth hiring somebody and training them, just to furlough them). If you are on the bottom of the list - then at least be prepared! Nobody in MGT is going to tell you they will be furloughing - then sick calls go up!

The amount of misinformation (wishful thinking) on this board is amazing.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Come on people, do you honestly think the 747-400 is going to make it past summer 2012? They will be gone; history. 777's will do that job, some even being flown by Delta and most by codeshares (sad reality). The A-330 is not nearly as good as some people think it is. It cannot take a full load of passengers and cargo to any european destination; or back.

Delta always furloughs.... so if you think you are safe - then ask the A seat guys you fly with if they expected to be furloughed when they were in the 90's? Delta is going to pare back a huge amount of capacity starting September and close one base. Green slips are being handed out due to temporary shortages (i.e. - not worth hiring somebody and training them, just to furlough them). If you are on the bottom of the list - then at least be prepared! Nobody in MGT is going to tell you they will be furloughing - then sick calls go up!

The amount of misinformation (wishful thinking) on this board is amazing.

So is the amount of stupidity!

 

[General Lee]

Come on people, do you honestly think the 747-400 is going to make it past summer 2012? They will be gone; history. 777's will do that job, some even being flown by Delta and most by codeshares (sad reality). The A-330 is not nearly as good as some people think it is. It cannot take a full load of passengers and cargo to any european destination; or back.

Delta always furloughs.... so if you think you are safe - then ask the A seat guys you fly with if they expected to be furloughed when they were in the 90's? Delta is going to pare back a huge amount of capacity starting September and close one base. Green slips are being handed out due to temporary shortages (i.e. - not worth hiring somebody and training them, just to furlough them). If you are on the bottom of the list - then at least be prepared! Nobody in MGT is going to tell you they will be furloughing - then sick calls go up!

The amount of misinformation (wishful thinking) on this board is amazing.

And you are????? Anyways, these days there are more protections against furlough than there were in the 90s. Those protections are economic penalties. Why didn't Delta furlough during the 2nd worst downturn in our Nation's history? (2008) If there was a time AFTER 9-11 to furlough, that was it. But, Delta would have had to flow people down to Compass, kicking those Captains down to FO, or furlough them. How many trainings would that have caused? How much per training? It is said that unless the pilot at mainline could be out for 2 years or more, it is not financially feasible. Now look at how many potential retirments are out there. Supposedly there are over 2000 pilots at Delta between 60 and 65 (according to a VP). They can retire at anytime, although most will probably wait until they are at least 62 for Social Security payouts (that will continue for years, and then stop probably when we reach that age). The company just doesn't know when those people will bail in huge numbers. That, combined with the flow down to Compass and Mesaba, is what keeps extra people on the property. A slow season (like Fall) will not cause furloughs, and oil is not at the all time high either.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

If DAL furloughs there is nothing to stop them. The two year restriction will be gone.

That said, if they would do that, which btw, they are not planning that, they would be caught with their pants down when the 65ers start punching out. DAL has a serious manning issue coming up, and frankly they have no idea how they are going to solve it.

My gut is that something is up and they are doing all they can to get the stock price up. Seems like bookings are strong, and this capacity cut is not all that it is cracked up to be.

 

[redflyer65]

I'm sure the General thinks they will get a new contract soon with a 25% bump in pay. Reality check, not in this economy Gen, you're closer to furlough than any pay increase. Talk about a fantasy land! Pass me a sundae, I mean bourbon.

RF

 

[General Lee]

I'm sure the General thinks they will get a new contract soon with a 25% bump in pay. Reality check, not in this economy Gen, you're closer to furlough than any pay increase. Talk about a fantasy land! Pass me a sundae, I mean bourbon.

RF

Not in this economy? DL should get a year over year profit this year, and had a monster year last year. We don't even start negotiations until the end of 2012. The economy is getting better, oil is coming down from all time highs, the stock market has rebounded. Are you getting your business news from The Food Network? And if Southwest can pay the Airtran guys your wages, then our airline can do the same. That is what is great about your deal, it helps us. Thanks for that. And with my seniority at about 50% of the list, I really don't think I would be furloughed. It would have to be a lot worse, and I mean a lot.


Now I do have a question for you. If you get bumped or displaced during the first joint bid after your arbitrated SLI, and all you can hold at your new seniority is the 717 in the right seat, WILL YOU HAVE TO BUY YOUR TYPE RATING to fly it? You bought your first one, and maybe you are used to that. That could help Southwest out, especially since they will have to fork over a bunch of new money to pay Ty and Lear 70. They could really use your $10K for that 717 type, or SIC type for you. Just volunteer that money, I bet that would help keep that "culture" of yours intact. Enjoy the SLI, it will be interesting, NO DOUBT. I think you may be the one needing a few glasses of bourbon.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pave driver]

News Flash... This economy is about to fall off the cliff!

 

[On Your Six]

News Flash... This economy is about to fall off the cliff!

And add to that, according to ads in the USAToday, the World is going to end tomorrow too!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

not in this economy? Dl should get a year over year profit this year, and had a monster year last year. We don't even start negotiations until the end of 2012. The economy is getting better, oil is coming down from all time highs, the stock market has rebounded. Are you getting your business news from the food network? And if southwest can pay the airtran guys your wages, then our airline can do the same. That is what is great about your deal, it helps us. Thanks for that. And with my seniority at about 50% of the list, i really don't think i would be furloughed. It would have to be a lot worse, and i mean a lot.


Now i do have a question for you. If you get bumped or displaced during the first joint bid after your arbitrated sli, and all you can hold at your new seniority is the 717 in the right seat, will you have to buy your type rating to fly it? You bought your first one, and maybe you are used to that. That could help southwest out, especially since they will have to fork over a bunch of new money to pay ty and lear 70. They could really use your $10k for that 717 type, or sic type for you. Just volunteer that money, i bet that would help keep that "culture" of yours intact. Enjoy the sli, it will be interesting, no doubt. I think you may be the one needing a few glasses of


bye bye---general lee

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