Delta/NWA Seniority List Negotiation Tidbits

[Redmeat]

I think you need to change your name to Generally Clueless

:smash:

Now that right thar is funny!

I don't care who ya are that's funny!

 

[General Lee]

Does an old airplane take any less pilots to staff? Are pilots flying older airplanes less qualified? Better ask your DC9-88 drivers. Bet you didn't even know it's a common type all the way through the DC9-717. There also the answer to your question about what you do with the DC9-40/50 pilots if we fence and they are parked.

Are cold bases flying any less revenue generating customers than warm bases?

Do you really think that the 787 is not going to fly, and is not a game-changing aircraft for the whole industry?

I think you need to change your name to Generally Clueless

You're the guy who claimed that NWA had to keep the name thanks to the NRT hub......Talk about clueless. And, I think I also showed you were wrong about your "intra Japan" flying when you claimed you could fly pax between NRT and NGO, and again, I showed you who was clueless.

Anyway, nwaredtail talks about stagnation. Really? How about in places like MSP and DTW? If this merger ever happened, anyone flying at those bases would SHOOT STRAIGHT TO THE TOP of those lists, thanks to the invasion of all of the warm new bases by NWA ice cubes. Yep, being the bottom at DTW one day, and the after the first bid of the combined company, you are now number 1 in DTW. Yeah, that sounds like stagnation alright....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

:smash:

Now that right thar is funny!

I don't care who ya are that's funny!

I am sure you did think that was funny meat head. Really, I proved that he was clueless with all of his NRT MEANS WE KEEP THE NWA NAME b.s.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Redmeat]

I am sure you did think that was funny meat head.

That's MR. meat head to you, General "we got are butts handed to us by the yanks on our own turf" Lee.

 

[Fly4hire]

Anyway, nwaredtail talks about stagnation. Really? How about in places like MSP and DTW? If this merger ever happened, anyone flying at those bases would SHOOT STRAIGHT TO THE TOP of those lists, thanks to the invasion of all of the warm new bases by NWA ice cubes. Yep, being the bottom at DTW one day, and the after the first bid of the combined company, you are now number 1 in DTW. Yeah, that sounds like stagnation alright....
Bye Bye--General Lee

Your ignorance is showing again.

DTW has 2200+ pilots, including the bulk of our 330, and all the 747-400 positions, and everything in between. Do you really think they are all going to drop what they are doing to rush south of the Mason Dixon line so they can eat grits and hush-puppies and chew tobacco?

MSP has the highest percentage of pilots who live in base - most of them are not going anywhere.

Just like you we have pilots who live all over, and some North and South, but a huge demographic shift with a merge is not going to happen.

This deal will happen when you guys stop being so impressed with yourselves and stop acting like mainline pilots with SJS. We don't want you or need you, and if you don't want to bargain in earnest we'll be seeing you with the arbitrator, or better yet, not at all.

 

[Redmeat]

MSP has the highest percentage of pilots who live in base - most of them are not going anywhere.

Yep, the MSP boys (and gals) aren't going anywhere (especially to the war zone that has become Atlanta).

The saying is " Minneapolis...why would you want to live anywhere else?"

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Lets not forget that dal is not SAVING us . They need us for the midwest stronghold and the pacific. They don't have 20 yrs to build a formidable asian presence and cvg will never be a midwest powerhouse. One would think they never were a brokedick, bankrupt, poorly managed company by the way some of the yahoos on this board act. I guess nw, ual, usair were the only ones.

 

[Diesel-9]

I have read on Google and Yahoo Finance that DAL is looking for a 3:1 ratio. Has anyone else ever heard that? I would have thought that with the double breasts they would have at least asked for 4:1.

 

[General Lee]

Your ignorance is showing again.

DTW has 2200+ pilots, including the bulk of our 330, and all the 747-400 positions, and everything in between. Do you really think they are all going to drop what they are doing to rush south of the Mason Dixon line so they can eat grits and hush-puppies and chew tobacco?

MSP has the highest percentage of pilots who live in base - most of them are not going anywhere.

Just like you we have pilots who live all over, and some North and South, but a huge demographic shift with a merge is not going to happen.

This deal will happen when you guys stop being so impressed with yourselves and stop acting like mainline pilots with SJS. We don't want you or need you, and if you don't want to bargain in earnest we'll be seeing you with the arbitrator, or better yet, not at all.

How many pilots do you have commuting? That is the key here, not how many high paying positions you have in DTW. There are plenty of commuters in FLA or AZ for you guys, and with your DOH scheme that is in fact ridiculous, you guys would "clean up." Not gonna happen. A mass exodus would happen regardless of what you are spouting, and we all know it. ATL is closer than DTW or MSP for the FLA commuters, and new 777s would be suit your guys just fine I am sure...

If we don't merge with you guys, fine with ME!

Here is your problem, though. Steenland says consolidation is inevitable. If not with DAL (which has financial backing from Air France--which is better than a hedge fund with no real real want in owning an airline for an airline's sake), then who? CAL? CAL pilots would object to your Imperialist views too. AMR? ORD is between MSP and DTW---not gonna happen. What next? Steenland wants to retire on Lake Minnetonka.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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If an agreement is reached than a significant hurdle has been overcome. The mountain on the horizon is MEMRAT and it becomes increasingly formidable as more and more information is released.

Ed

Ed,

It is my understanding that an SLI will not be subject to MEMRAT, only the contract that would follow. The SLI is to be decided by each MEC. Have you been informed of something different?

Thanks,

 

[General Lee]

I have read on Google and Yahoo Finance that DAL is looking for a 3:1 ratio. Has anyone else ever heard that? I would have thought that with the double breasts they would have at least asked for 4:1.

I call that B.S. But, if we have more pilots, and we don't do a 1 for 1 leaving our bottom 2500 guys at the bottom, how would you think we should do it? There would have to be some type of ratio. Your top 400 guys would probably remain that way, and then there would have to be a ratio that looks at everything.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Lets not forget that dal is not SAVING us . They need us for the midwest stronghold and the pacific. They don't have 20 yrs to build a formidable asian presence and cvg will never be a midwest powerhouse. One would think they never were a brokedick, bankrupt, poorly managed company by the way some of the yahoos on this board act. I guess nw, ual, usair were the only ones.

Do we need your stronghold in the Pacific? Not really. Our 777s overfly NRT now, and we are getting more. It would be nice to have a connection hub there I guess, but not necessary for survival. And, don't forget Steenland saying he wanted to be proactive in consolidation. He didn't say "no, get away you guys!"

Will MEM be a powerhouse at anything other than Fedex? CVG has our highest yields. And yes, we were a poorly managed company, until we got your former boss. How do you like your current boss? He loves you guys. I never said our poop didn't stink, but it is getting better thanks to better management and better plans.

You seem to think ASIA is where it is AT and nothing is better. You have a presence at AMS, but very few other cities in Europe. You have nothing in Africa or South America, and only one flight to Liberia, Costa Rica on Saturdays during the Winter only for Latin America. Throw in another bird flu outbreak, and you are sunk. Too much focus on one area. How much did you lose during the SARS outbreak? Cathay Pacific lost a ton. Could it happen again, ever? I think that helped send you into BK too when that happened? Gotta diversify....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Noserider76]

Lets not forget that dal is not SAVING us . They need us for the midwest stronghold and the pacific. They don't have 20 yrs to build a formidable asian presence and cvg will never be a midwest powerhouse. One would think they never were a brokedick, bankrupt, poorly managed company by the way some of the yahoos on this board act. I guess nw, ual, usair were the only ones.

No one here thinks they're saving you. You have a great company and will do well no matter what happens. On the other hand, I don't believe we need you either. The only ones that need this deal are the institutional investors.

I've heard the entire deal will be subject to Memrat. All or nothing on the package of contract and SLI.

Minny is a great town. Probably no better place to raise kids.

 

[wings421]

Minny is a great town. Probably no better place to raise kids.

or penguins...

 

[Superpilot92]

How many pilots do you have commuting? That is the key here, not how many high paying positions you have in DTW. There are plenty of commuters in FLA or AZ for you guys, and with your DOH scheme that is in fact ridiculous, you guys would "clean up." Not gonna happen. A mass exodus would happen regardless of what you are spouting, and we all know it. ATL is closer than DTW or MSP for the FLA commuters, and new 777s would be suit your guys just fine I am sure...

If we don't merge with you guys, fine with ME!

Here is your problem, though. Steenland says consolidation is inevitable. If not with DAL (which has financial backing from Air France--which is better than a hedge fund with no real real want in owning an airline for an airline's sake), then who? CAL? CAL pilots would object to your Imperialist views too. AMR? ORD is between MSP and DTW---not gonna happen. What next? Steenland wants to retire on Lake Minnetonka.

Bye Bye--General Lee

OH geeze i forgot all nwa pilots want to live in DAL bases. I guess i also didnt realize that DAL doesnt have any commuters Your conversations are always one sided, go figure.

With that said, if we can get DFW back open I am all over it