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Delta MEC and Comair MEC working together on a deal?

JonnyKnoxville

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Anyone on the Delta side hearing this?

Sounds like we should hear some formal announcement in 1-4 months. Heard Moak wants to control the bottom of DCI so he can control the whole Delta House. I do not know if it is just Comair or if it also involves Compass and Mesaba as well.

Quite refreshing to hear our pilot groups getting along and working together! Unfortunately, we will always have JC and acarpe to remind us of our dark past.
 

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Well, calling folks together for a meeting is not exactly earth shattering, seeing as how we do that sort of thing every so often. We all fly Delta passengers and there are many areas of mutual interest.

It would be great to see something grow out of that, but, I get the feeling management is thinking going the opposite direction with a spin off that among other things, breaks the flow through agreement.
 
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I'm not sure Comair wants the same MEC and not sure the Delta MEC wants that either and Mesaba would fit in there somewhere. Doesn't make sense.

Other than saving on office supplies, I'm not sure there is a benefit.
 

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Ain't gonna happen....

Anybody else the problems with DOH and ALPA merger policy in this one??

OK, so a New-hire 767 First Officer and a Comair Captain will fight it out to the death in arbitration also.....

No way.....anybody wanna argue this one??
 

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If anything like that were to happen, it would be a staple. Same as it would have been in 1999.

Would some yahoo claim he was owed DOH? Sure, expect it, but it would mean nothing.

ASA & Comair had agreed to DOH on a pro-forma basis to integrate their RJ fleets.
 
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If anything like that were to happen, it would be a staple. Same as it would have been in 1999.

There wouldn't have been a staple or an SLI in 1999 because there would not have been a merger. Don't confuse a PID with a merger.

Furthermore, no one pushing the the PID ever agreed that a staple would be acceptable if there had been a merger so how could you tell us today that it would have been a staple?
 

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Furthermore, no one pushing the the PID ever agreed that a staple would be acceptable if there had been a merger so how could you tell us today that it would have been a staple?
Well, they SHOULD have and my idea was to print up "We'd be grateful for a staple." Anything else was political suicide.

Every analysis from common sense to a careful examination of merger policy by Experts gave the same result, by paycheck, or equipment, it would have been a staple.

My idea was shot down because ALPA policy specifically stated that the parties could not go in to a PID with seniority demands/positions.

You are right that a PID is a long way from a merger.

If this thing ever comes up again, I think people have learned from past mistakes.
 

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"Anyone on the Delta side hearing this?"

How about anyone on the Comair side hear this?

I like rumors but this one is a little tough to fathom.
I'll believe it when I see Acarpe pulling gear for a Comair pilot. For now, I'll keep delivering pizzas.
 

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Too much bad blood.....I am sure the Comair guys will take anything they can get.....and with the way they treated the Delta guys on furlough....well I don't think they are ready to start exchanging xmas cards.
 

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We have all examined past Delta / Comair Pilot relations to death. I am suggesting that something new is happening between our MECs.

I think it maybe the benefits of furlough protection on the Delta side and the benefits of mainline employment on the Comair side.

What a concept...Delta Pilots fly Delta jets. I love it.

Everyone please disregard any talk about DOH integration. Those people know that they are just trying to stir the pot. I think everyone knows that it would be some sort of staple and most pilots on BOTH sides would be happy with that.
 

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"Anyone on the Delta side hearing this?"

How about anyone on the Comair side hear this?

I like rumors but this one is a little tough to fathom.
I'll believe it when I see Acarpe pulling gear for a Comair pilot. For now, I'll keep delivering pizzas.

Yes, I have heard it and not from someone on the line saying it as a rumor.

Acarpe (as much as I do not like him) will not ever be pulling the gear for a Comair pilot. Quit stirring the pot!
 

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Heck maybe the union saw the AE and realized that they need to have furlough fodder for the bottom of the list.
 

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I don't think it is a flow-through / back agreement. It is something else. I just don't know the details yet.

But I do think the motivation for the Delta MEC is to put Delta Pilots in another cockpit and furlough regional guys.

I will work at Walmart for a few years if I am put on the Delta list.
 
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I'd pay 2.5% dues if ALPA would get all the CRJ-900's and E-175's on the mainline side here. I say we bring them all over with the pilots that are now flying them. Staple them with protections so none of the captains get bumped out of their seat and nobody gets bumped out of their base. Having up to 255 of those jets at mainline rather than at the DCI carriers would be better for all of us. Then they could actually fly those 900's with more than 76 seats and nobody would care.
 

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Could this be a part of the puzzle? Holly Hegemon's blog this week:
CVG - Nibbled to Death
Hello there, Godzilla here. I know it's been a while since I've graced the pages of PlaneBuzz, so to speak. I won't give the old "I've been too busy" because I hate when people use that as an excuse. No, I've not been too busy to write, perhaps I didn't think I had anything of value to add, though some would say I never let that stop me before. I've been filling my time doing some very un-airline/aviation stuff, some would say going back to my routes, er, roots. I'll fill you in later on that though, because I want to talk about the Texas - Two Step Delta is doing with their hub in Cincinnati.
An article on Cincinnati.com yesterday outlined Delta's plan to further reduce their CVG hub by another 12% this coming January. This cut follows a steady diet of previous reductions and downsizing/rightsizing or whatever the MBA catchphrase of the moment, that have been occurring for the past 4 years.
The truth is that reducing or eliminating CVG as a hub made sense even without the merger of Northwest, but adding the three NW hubs to the mix (affectionately known as Snow-town, Mo-town, and No-town), CVG is definitely superfluous. The problem is that the DL/NW merger is supposed to be a merger of addition and not subtraction. Uh-huh. According to the article January 2009 flying from CVG will be 33% less than January 2008.
As I said, that makes sense. What is irritating is the PR spin being put on the bad news so that the community actually thinks it is good news. Speaking about the announced reductions, the chairman of the Kenton County Airport Board, which controls CVG operations said -
"This is good news in that it keeps things pretty much as they are, but I would not say it is wonderful news,"
Well Mr. Chairman, the news might be good but the truth is not-so-good. Fully 85% of the operations at CVG will be in RJ equipment, and the number of banks at CVG will be reduced from 9 to 5. Glen Hauenstein is the person in charge of rationalizing the two route systems, which is not an easy task. However turning CVG into an RJ hub and giving it until the summer of 2009 to turn a profit is akin to throwing a drowning man an anchor.
"We really wanted to keep the hub there because of its location, layout and the great facilities, but it took us awhile to figure out how to do it," Hauenstein said. "So Delta is now reaffirming its commitment to the Cincinnati hub through the summer season of next year and then we'll take another barometer reading on how the economy is doing."
That's nice. We all remember how well the Independence Airlines hub did at IAD, right? They helped prove that the RJ isn't a low cost machine, it's a point-to-point O&D bird. Taking the wrong airplane and running it through a hub that used to have 9 banks and now will only have 5 means that the cost of operation at CVG for DL is going to be higher. The only semi-good news in all of this is that the CVG fares are high, which means DL will lose money more slowly, unless the economy continues to tank.
Although I don't agree with it, I understand the need to be politically sensitive to air service issues, especially during a merger. Perhaps if I had been more politically correct my airline career would have been longer, though this is more fun anyway. But DL is better off saying as little as possible about it rather than trying to spin the reduction as a way to "coordinate times between two hubs [DTW and CVG]".
"That way we can offer two medium-sized hubs with better connectivity and efficiency to compete with one mega-hub (for rivals American and United) in Chicago," Hauenstein said. "This is all about connections and making those more plentiful. Now we can offer a traveler in say, Albany, connections through Atlanta, JFK, Detroit, Minneapolis and yes, Cincinnati - you get something nobody has been able to offer you before. And Cincinnati is a part of all of that."
Well it sounds to me like a phased reduction into oblivion, which by the way Is a good decision. The spin doctors should have left this one alone though.
 

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Heyas,

FWIW...Bastian said yesterday at MSP's town hall meeting that Delta is getting out of the RJ business: "No more RJs and too many 50 seaters".

Nu
 

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Well define an RJ. I think he is only referring to 50 seat jets. They still like the CSAM on the 70 and 76 seat jets.
 
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