Delta is now looking at possible USAir Aquistion

[On Your Six]

Just saw it on another site, and it's on the WSJ online, but I can't paste it. GREAT. Their hubs sure are close to our hubs. And, employee discontent is there too between the USAir peeps.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[blackjack]

http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2012/01/...rways-as-possible-acquisition-target-sources/

By Gina Chon, Anupreeta Das and Susan Carey
Delta Air Lines is now looking at making a run at US Airways Group, WSJ is reporting, citing people familiar with the matter.

Delta, the world’s No. 2 airline by traffic, also has been assessing a similar move for much-larger American Airlines parent AMR Corp., the people have said. It is working with Goldman Sachs Group Inc. as one of its financial advisers, along with Blackstone Group, the people said.
Delta sees itself as a consolidator in the airline industry and is studying several options, the people added.
Delta has not yet approached US Airways, the No. 5 U.S. airline, and is still weighing which deal if any would make most sense and have the best odds of success, the people familiar with the matter said. Delta’s last transaction was in 2008, when it acquired Northwest Airlines.

Gotta pay for the rest of the rest... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204573704577187373128520982.html#articleTabs=article

 

[The Prussian]

Are these not the same two airlines that just last month finalized a slot swap, consolidating DAL's position in LGA, and USAir's position in DCA?? What kind of thinking is going on behind the scenes? :cartman:

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/07/delta-us-airways-slot-swap/178107/1

 

[On Your Six]

Didn't the article say that this could be one of the options that they are looking at? I think AMR or parts of it are still out there, and maybe DL would only take a part of the USAir empire, like the PHX op and the westies? The East Stuff looks like a lot of overlap with DL hubs. Both have Shuttles out of LGA, too. Who knows?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[captainjack]

Talk is West to Delta, East to AMR.

Anyone want the over/under on USAPA vs APA?

 

[On Your Six]

Talk is West to Delta, East to AMR.

Anyone want the over/under on USAPA vs APA?

How many pilots on each side, East and West?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Flyby1206]

Delta Air Lines Inc. is studying US Airways Group Inc. as a possible acquisition target, people familiar with the matter said, as U.S. carriers prepare for a new round of consolidation.
Delta, the world's No. 2 airline by traffic, also has been assessing a similar move for American Airlines parent AMR Corp., the people have said.
Delta is working with Goldman Sachs Group Inc. as one of its financial advisers, along with Blackstone Group, the people said.
Delta sees itself as a consolidator in the airline industry and is studying several options, the people added. AMR entered bankruptcy-court protection in late November.
Delta hasn't yet approached US Airways, the No. 5 U.S. airline, and is still weighing which deal if any would make most sense and have the best odds of success, the people familiar with the matter said. Delta's last transaction was in 2008, when it acquired Northwest Airlines.
US Airways is open to being both a buyer or a seller and is expecting Delta to reach out, the people said. US Airways also is looking at a possible tie-up with AMR, US Airways has said. A marriage of US Airways and AMR would form a company on par with Delta or United.
The posturing signals a possible new wave of U.S. airline consolidation, following a string of mergers and acquisitions in the past seven years.
The recent tie-ups have formed larger airlines and reduced the number of major U.S. carriers to five from roughly triple that number 20 years ago.
The consolidation has helped the surviving airlines jettison money-losing routes, raise ticket prices and tighten control on their hub airports.
A Delta-American combo could draw antitrust scrutiny, given the massive size of the merged company.
Delta has conducted an antitrust analysis and believes with concessions, it would have a good chance of obtaining regulatory approval, people familiar with the matter said. AMR is the No. 3 U.S. airline.
The people cautioned that these are very early-stage explorations and any deal, if it happens, may not be reached until a year or so from now.
US Airways has looked for other partners in the past. In 2010, US Airways was in talks with United Airlines but United ended up merging with Continental Airlines to form United Continental Holdings Inc. That was the second time US Airways and United talked about a combination.
In 2006, US Airways made a $8.7 billion hostile bid for Delta when that company was in bankruptcy proceedings, but that effort failed. US Airways itself is the product of a 2005 merger of the old US Airways, which was coming out of bankruptcy, and America West Airlines.
Delta, which is part of the global SkyTeam marketing alliance, likely would try to pull any potential merger partner into its alliance, the people said. Airline alliances let members steer business to each other and, in some cases, link frequent-flier awards and perks.
US Airways is in the Star Alliance, the largest of the global airline marketing groupings, which also counts as a member United Continental.
If US Airways were to merge with another airline, it would be open to joining another alliance, people familiar with the matter said. AMR is part of the Oneworld alliance, the smallest of the global clubs.
Other potential suitors for AMR include private-equity firm TPG Capital, which has experience investing in the airline industry. It isn't clear what role, if any, AMR's main European partner in Oneworld, International Consolidated Airlines Group SA, would seek to play in controlling the fate of AMR. IAG is the parent of British Airways and Spain's Iberia.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Just saw it on another site, and it's on the WSJ online, but I can't paste it. GREAT. Their hubs sure are close to our hubs. And, employee discontent is there too between the USAir peeps.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

OYSter,

Binding Arbitration is the only fair way to do it.

 

[johnsonrod]

No way it will happen. Anderson required the pilots to agree on integration before the NWA-DAL merger was complete and there is no way Anderson will want to deal with 3 parties (USAirways East and West and DAL pilots). He will want a smooth integration and that cannot happen considering the hatred between the two USAirways pilot groups. I also agree the LGA/DCA and overlapping East Coast hubs make this idea difficult. Highly doubtful.

Anderson is smart to keep other airlines on their toes when they are potentially competing for the same AA assets.

 

[On Your Six]

OYSter,



I agree. I don't see a full merger with USair, rather maybe just the West side. And, with DL being 15 times the size (12,500 vs 800 in PHX?) , and their "career expectations" being low while having a few West 757s and 70 or so West Airbus, I am sure the arbitrator would bring them in somewhere in the middle, and then down at a 15 to 1 ratio. Or, we could be mean and give them threats like you guys....


I was trying to figure this whole thing out. Maybe, just maybe, DL would want to stick it to SWA at one of their largest bases (PHX), and bring in an airline that has money (3 times your profit) and compete against you just like you will try to do against DL in ATL? That would be fun. This also could be a warning shot to AK, who won't want to be left out when everything stops. USair West could be used to actually fight AK up and down the West Coast, something DL doesn't do now. Maybe someone wants AK to make a decision, AA or DL? Who knows?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[redflyer65]

OYSter,



I agree. I don't see a full merger with USair, rather maybe just the West side. And, with DL being 15 times the size (12,500 vs 800 in PHX?) , and their "career expectations" being low while having a few West 757s and 70 or so West Airbus, I am sure the arbitrator would bring them in somewhere in the middle, and then down at a 15 to 1 ratio. Or, we could be mean and give them threats like you guys....


I was trying to figure this whole thing out. Maybe, just maybe, DL would want to stick it to SWA at one of their largest bases (PHX), and bring in an airline that has money (3 times your profit) and compete against you just like you will try to do against DL in ATL? That would be fun. This also could be a warning shot to AK, who won't want to be left out when everything stops. USair West could be used to actually fight AK up and down the West Coast, something DL doesn't do now. Maybe someone wants AK to make a decision, AA or DL? Who knows?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

And easily THREE times the debt.

Godspeed OYS.....Your gonna need it brother!

 

[On Your Six]

And easily THREE times the debt.

Godspeed OYS.....Your gonna need it brother!

DL made 3 times your profit WHILE paying down $4.1 billion in debt since 2009. By the end of next year, DL projects their debt will decrease from $18 billion to $10 billion. What does that mean? DL is really kicking your rear in the revenue and profit department. That's profit and debt payments at the same time. No wonder DL is looking around for more potential acquisitions, they have the cash and are confident with whatever the plans are. If DL does get the West side somehow and does come to PHX, you had better watch out. Good luck, you will need it too bro!



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[SWA Bubba]

OYSter,




I was trying to figure this whole thing out. Maybe, just maybe, DL would want to stick it to SWA at one of their largest bases (PHX), and bring in an airline that has money (3 times your profit) and compete against you just like you will try to do against DL in ATL? That would be fun. This also could be a warning shot to AK, who won't want to be left out when everything stops. USair West could be used to actually fight AK up and down the West Coast, something DL doesn't do now. Maybe someone wants AK to make a decision, AA or DL? Who knows?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

Can you just not HELP yourself? Is that what it is? This thread had nothing to do with SWA, but you managed to work a slam in anyway. Well done!

Bubba

 

[Hpilot]

OYSter,



I agree. I don't see a full merger with USair, rather maybe just the West side. And, with DL being 15 times the size (12,500 vs 800 in PHX?) , and their "career expectations" being low while having a few West 757s and 70 or so West Airbus, I am sure the arbitrator would bring them in somewhere in the middle, and then down at a 15 to 1 ratio. Or, we could be mean and give them threats like you guys....


I was trying to figure this whole thing out. Maybe, just maybe, DL would want to stick it to SWA at one of their largest bases (PHX), and bring in an airline that has money (3 times your profit) and compete against you just like you will try to do against DL in ATL? That would be fun. This also could be a warning shot to AK, who won't want to be left out when everything stops. USair West could be used to actually fight AK up and down the West Coast, something DL doesn't do now. Maybe someone wants AK to make a decision, AA or DL? Who knows?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

We are one of the few airlines that has been able to hold our own against Southwest and actually beat them out east. Alaska though? I think it's better to play friendly with Alaska and use them as a feeder. Just my two cents.

 

[On Your Six]

Can you just not HELP yourself? Is that what it is? This thread had nothing to do with SWA, but you managed to work a slam in anyway. Well done!

Bubba

I was trying to figure out why DL would go after all or part of US, and the PHX hub came up, being the West hub for US and a major hub for SWA. Maybe DL wants some payback for SWA coming into ATL? That could be possible. Instead of getting upset, why don't you comment on that opinion? And of course you don't see anything wrong with Redflyer's comments. Well done!


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[texman]

Oys, its your turn little buddy if this happens. The AW will get way better seniority over you in a arbitration deal. Remember all that talk of arbitration is fair? Usair fly's big airplanes too. Isn't 3/4 of thier list gone in 10 years. They will have better career expectations than you little buddy.Lol. Arbitration the Alpa way.

 

[texman]

Oys you are the only idiot that wants payback! Give up bro!

 

[On Your Six]

Oys, its your turn little buddy if this happens. The AW will get way better seniority over you in a arbitration deal. Remember all that talk of arbitration is fair? Usair fly's big airplanes too. Isn't 3/4 of thier list gone in 10 years. They will have better career expectations than you little buddy.Lol. Arbitration the Alpa way.

The AWA guys have that? USair East has too much overlap with CLT and PHL/DCA. LOL. You are wrong. If AWA is the part taken in PHX, their guys are a small group overall, about 800 or so guys. I'd still do fine, and then throw in our 5000 retirements in the next 10 years anyway. You guys, not so much.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

Oys you are the only idiot that wants payback! Give up bro!

Bro, the only payback I want from you guys is for the time wasted watching your dumb people's court SWA TV commercials. So bad.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[vetrider]

The AWA guys have that? USair East has too much overlap with CLT and PHL/DCA. LOL. You are wrong. If AWA is the part taken in PHX, their guys are a small group overall, about 800 or so guys. I'd still do fine, and then throw in our 5000 retirements in the next 10 years anyway. You guys, not so much.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

It's more like 15-1600 west guys. Of course given the size of Delta, that's splitting hairs.