Delta is in talks with SkyWest to sell one or both of its regional airlines.

[General Lee]

So what happens after the sale to compensate for fuel, when you have a check in hand?

Southtex,

Read again my post. I stated that management has stated that we should be turning some sort of small profit by next year, so what we need is to make sure we get through the end of this year. Get it? Other than that, we have started a $2.3 billion a year savings plan, and that should help.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General,

You're getting so excited.. at your age that's dangerous.

The more likely senario.... Comair buys Delta. Your company is valued at what these days? It wouldn't take much..

Ladies and Gentlemen.. Welcome aboard Delta flight 1724, your Comair Connection to Cincinnati.

Ummmmmm, doubt it. Why wouldn't Skywest buy Delta? Because of the debt. Now, they will assume some of it, not all of it. Thanks guys!

And, I am only 40............ How old are you?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[chperplt]

Gen

You can doubt it all you want.. You don't know what's going to happen tomorrow any more than Miss Cleo. Don't think that Fred hasn't thought about it.

Oh.. and I'm a slight bit younger than you.

 

[SouthTex]

Easy, savings plan. What do you hope this battle of BS will go on forever and you will sail off into the sunset forgetting who has helped to save your A$$ over the past year and a half?

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Each time SKYW has bought an airline the employees of the acquired airline have really gotten the short end of the stick.

Instead of making a broad, and some might say ignorant statement, how about explaining to the readers exactly how Sun Aire pilots got the short end of the stick.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

That would most likely be in reverse seniority order like it was when they bought WestAir.

Truckdriver eloquently proves his ignorance. Nicely done.

SkyWest never bought WestAir. WestAir was owned by Mesa. Try getting your facts straight.

SkyWest did however hire many WestAir pilots some of which are still employed there. I know several of them and have never heard them complain that SkyWest offered them a job.

 

[General Lee]

Easy, savings plan. What do you hope this battle of BS will go on forever and you will sail off into the sunset forgetting who has helped to save your A$$ over the past year and a half?

What? What about the RJ debacle in DFW? We had to shut that base down it was getting sooo costly. And now our RJs are competing on some routes against Airtran. How has Indy Air done in that arena? Thanks for saving our A$$---we wrote down your worth ($1.9 billion) in the last quarter.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[av8tor02]

and we are acting like we are how old? "NO that is my toy....you can't have it....my daddy can beat up your daddy......give it back!!!.......i'm telling" I got a great idea....lets not point fingers. If SKYW was to buy ASA or Comair I doubt that SKYW would put them at the end of the list....it would have to be integrated some how.

 

[Sinca3]

Unless there was a straight date of hire merger of the list there would be HUGE PROBLEMS!!! I garauntee they would start before the merger was even complete.
This doesn't sound too too far fetched. I mean our managment could give a rat's a$$ about the employees that make their six figure pay checks possible.

 

[DAL737FO]

Gen

You can doubt it all you want.. You don't know what's going to happen tomorrow any more than Miss Cleo. Don't think that Fred hasn't thought about it.

Oh.. and I'm a slight bit younger than you.

How funny. That would be like a son, who's only income is through his allowance from his Dad, deciding he was going to take over the house payments because Dad just got moved to a lesser paying job. It doesn't quite work that way.

Everyone keeps talking about how profitable our regionals are. At our furlough recall class the VP for revenue management came to talk to us. A question was asked about how a strike at ASA would effect us in our current state. The answer was that the entire DCI side of the house brings in 14% of our revenue. ASA counts for 4%. I would assume that Comair counts for a little more than that. Good luck on your hostile takeover.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

4%? If you believe that I have some waterfront property to sell you just outside Vegas. So if ASA just stopped flying for 1 day, it would only be a "4%" disruption in service and loss of revenue?

 

[storminpilot]

Skywest will operate the airlines separately. Why integrate them? It casuses a lot of problems and then if Skywest chooses to take ASA or Comair public they can later.

 

[bvt1151]

With Skywest pilots at least considering unionizing, CMR or ASA would push them over the edge.

Skywest, meet ALPA.

ALPA, Skywest.

 

[Visceral]

Kinda what I was thinking. From what I recall, FedEx was non-union until they acquired the unionized Flying Tigers. Seems to have worked there.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Talk to some of the Flying Tiger guys and let me know what they say....

 

[sleepy]

My guess is that Skywest would keep ASA and or Comair seperate companies. They will slowly transfer assets from ASA and Comair to Skywest (that is, if ASA and Comair pilots don't agree to lower their wages and benefits to Skywest levels), allowing the Skywest pilots to fly the routes formerly flown by ASA and Comar pilots in their former aircraft. Eventually, ASA and Comair will just disappear (along with ALPA representation and union contracts).

I hope I am wrong, but it looks bad for ASA and Comair. Of course, this could just be another ploy by DAL management and DALPA to scare the ASA into a substandard contract.

The Comair pilots have already blinked, so they have demonstrated to management that they will probably lower themselves to Skywest standards to save their jobs.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Stormin is right!

I agree that they would keep it seperate. The one thing that does not make sense is that Delta will immediately pay more for DCI service for that respective carrier. The good news would be that the remaining carrier would more than likely get most of the new upcomming growth.

But! It would most likely be ASA. We are already colocated with Skywest, our cost structure is more in line with theirs, and Delta paid less for us than Comair. Our value is probably less than Comairs (if there is a value that has been set). This would be VERY problematic in the event that Skywest management tries to merge the lists. You know that the Skywest doods will only go for a staple. I am not sure what ALPA could do in this case even with successorship clauses.

Surplus??? You could help on this one.

 

[catIIIc]

How do you know that we would only go for a staple. Unfortunately it will not be up to us, our mangement will tell us how it will happen. We will have no say in any of this nor will Comair or ASA. I say DOH with fences, so you guys can't have my seat in ORD and I can't get yours in ATL,CVG. Good luck to us all.

 

[FDJ2]

I am not sure what ALPA could do in this case even with successorship clauses.

Well isn't that what successorship clauses are all about? If the language is strong and air tight, it will be complied with. What specific language is in the ASA/CMR PWAs for such a liklihood. Maybe someone could post it.

 

[bvt1151]

B. Successorship

1. The company will require any successor resulting from the transfer of the ownership or control of all or substantially all of the equity securities or assets of the Company (a "successorship transaction) to recognize the Association as the representative of the pilots, to employ the pilots on the seniority list in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement and to assume to be bound by the Agreement.

2. In the event of a successorship transaction in which the successor is an air carrier or any person or entity that owns or controls or is owned or controlled by an air carrier which results in an operational merger, the Company will require the successor to agree to provide the Company's pilots with a fair and equitable seniority integration as providd in Sections 3 and 13 of the Labor Protective Provisions specified by the CAB in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger, except that such seniority integration will be governed by the Associations Merger Policy if both pilot groups are represented by the Association.



I don't have the LOA in front of me, but it has some further successorship language.