Delta flight diverts on champagne request

[B727FA]

And yet again, it turns into a scope fight.

 

[zonejumper]

And yet again, it turns into a scope fight.

Well, at least it's stopped the FA-bashing for a bit...

 

[Fubijaakr]

I'd agree on a couple points.

1. The 50 seat jet problem is solving itself.
2. So will the 70-76 seat jet problem. Oil prices will kill them.

What we have to do now, is negotiate a 100 seat jet pay rate at mainline carriers and insist the flying is done by mainline pilots. That would be a start.

 

[On Your Six]

I'd agree on a couple points.

1. The 50 seat jet problem is solving itself.
2. So will the 70-76 seat jet problem. Oil prices will kill them.

What we have to do now, is negotiate a 100 seat jet pay rate at mainline carriers and insist the flying is done by mainline pilots. That would be a start.

We in DTW see the RJ proliferation. I don't think it would be tough to get guys to vote that way at all, for mainline use. I think there are current payrates for those planes at Delta now in our own contract.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[dicko]

. They are professional and are there to enforce FARs, plain and simple.

This kind of thinking is the excuse for the appalling service on most U.S based airlines. You are enabling the new low, becoming the new normal.

Fly Virgin Atlantic, V Australia, Qantas, BA, Emirates, Cathay or any other world class Major and you'll generally find excellent service provided by professionals. Their passengers come from all over the world and the service has nothing to do with the fact that they "know how to behave".

Angry, wrung out FA's providing poor service has nothing to do with the FAR's. It's got everything to do with the attitude displayed in your post. The job is primarily a service position with a safety aspect. Anything else sounds like the Colgan CEO repeating 'Safety is our main priority'. Pure Cant.

 

[zonejumper]

This kind of thinking is the excuse for the appalling service on most U.S based airlines. You are enabling the new low, becoming the new normal.

Fly Virgin Atlantic, V Australia, Qantas, BA, Emirates, Cathay or any other world class Major and you'll generally find excellent service provided by professionals. Their passengers come from all over the world and the service has nothing to do with the fact that they "know how to behave".

Angry, wrung out FA's providing poor service has nothing to do with the FAR's. It's got everything to do with the attitude displayed in your post. The job is primarily a service position with a safety aspect. Anything else sounds like the Colgan CEO repeating 'Safety is our main priority'. Pure Cant.

Your user name is very appropos. Congrats!

Nice stretch in trying to judge me and my work ethic. You dudes keep it up and twist my words for your anti-FA agenda.

Oh, and get off your high horse. I fly foreign airlines all the time and yes, I receive good service. I also receive excellent service on domestic carriers as well. I actually like USAir. Perhaps it's YOUR crappy attitude or entitlement mentality that gets YOU nothing. And, yes, I do know there are FAs who are crappy and cranky and lazy. Guess what, that's a problem in ALL industries today. Spare me the "old cat-ranchers" argument too, I've seen plenty of cheery older women and some down-right nasty,snotty, highly UN-qualified young girls as well. I very rarely have any complaints about FAs I've encountered. Maybe, just maybe it's because I'm smart and classy enough to board, sit down, actually follow their instructions, say please and thank you and not act like a self-important jackass.

P.S. -- I'd have some more respect for you boys if you just admit the reason you prefer foreign airline FAs. They're all young and easy on the eyes. Why you morons think that a FA is there to tickle your fancy and for you to drool over is beyond me. It's not the 60's anymore. Grow up.

 

[zonejumper]

This kind of thinking is the excuse for the appalling service on most U.S based airlines. You are enabling the new low, becoming the new normal.

Fly Virgin Atlantic, V Australia, Qantas, BA, Emirates, Cathay or any other world class Major and you'll generally find excellent service provided by professionals. Their passengers come from all over the world and the service has nothing to do with the fact that they "know how to behave".

Angry, wrung out FA's providing poor service has nothing to do with the FAR's. It's got everything to do with the attitude displayed in your post. The job is primarily a service position with a safety aspect. Anything else sounds like the Colgan CEO repeating 'Safety is our main priority'. Pure Cant.

If you are really a pilot you should know that a FA's primary responsibility is SAFETY and NOT customer service. Sad that you don't know that.

Also, what were your last two words supposed to mean? I don't get it---clue me in.

 

[Paradoxus]

If you are really a pilot you should know that a FA's primary responsibility is SAFETY and NOT customer service.

Isn't it wonderful how everything seems to fall apart when they start referring to clients/passengers as customers? You know, as if they were merely people in line at the liquor-store counter?

 

[zonejumper]

Isn't it wonderful how everything seems to fall apart when they start referring to clients/passengers as customers? You know, as if they were merely people in line at the liquor-store counter?

That's how airlines want it.....

 

[dicko]

Your user name is very appropos. Congrats!

Nice stretch in trying to judge me and my work ethic. You dudes keep it up and twist my words for your anti-FA agenda.

Oh, and get off your high horse. I fly foreign airlines all the time and yes, I receive good service. I also receive excellent service on domestic carriers as well. I actually like USAir. Perhaps it's YOUR crappy attitude or entitlement mentality that gets YOU nothing. And, yes, I do know there are FAs who are crappy and cranky and lazy. Guess what, that's a problem in ALL industries today. Spare me the "old cat-ranchers" argument too, I've seen plenty of cheery older women and some down-right nasty,snotty, highly UN-qualified young girls as well. I very rarely have any complaints about FAs I've encountered. Maybe, just maybe it's because I'm smart and classy enough to board, sit down, actually follow their instructions, say please and thank you and not act like a self-important jackass.

Interesting.

Did you read what I wrote ? At what point did I judge your work ethic ?

Do you believe that an independent observer would read your response and agree with your self analysis of "smart and classy" ? I'm afraid that your post says far more about you, than the subject at hand.

I recommend analysis. Jungian.

 

[Paradoxus]

That's how airlines want it.....

Not intentionally. I believe airlines and other businesses, having decided to throw the idiot-term customer around really believe it beneficial. Sad, really.

 

[zonejumper]

Interesting.

Did you read what I wrote ? At what point did I judge your work ethic ?

Do you believe that an independent observer would read your response and agree with your self analysis of "smart and classy" ? I'm afraid that your post says far more about you, than the subject at hand.

I recommend analysis. Jungian.

You intimated I defend a poor work ethic. You've also said it on many different occasions on different threads. Just admit it, you're anti FA (more to the point, anti OLDER FAs.) You and several others are like a broken record. It's ridiculous. Would you like me to say all pilots are jackasses, just because I think you and some others on here behave as such?

I'm not the one who needs analysis, perhaps you've been through it, but it doesn't look like it's helped with your issues. Judge me all you want, I just will not sit idly by while you boys paint U.S. FAs with a very broad brush. Guys like you are a dime a dozen and maybe, just maybe, you're "mistreated" by FAs because you act like your screen name. Still waiting for you to be honest with yourselves and admit the real reason you prefer foreign FAs. I've also posted this question before but only hear crickets. How many of you want the females in your life to work for a foreign carrier in ANY capacity???

BTW, still waiting for the answer on what "pure cant" means. I guess I really am stoooopit..

 

[zonejumper]

Not intentionally. I believe airlines and other businesses, having decided to throw the idiot-term customer around really believe it beneficial. Sad, really.

I happen to agree with you! Fancy that! :beer:

 

[dicko]

You intimated I defend a poor work ethic. You've also said it on many different occasions on different threads. Just admit it, you're anti FA (more to the point, anti OLDER FAs.) You and several others are like a broken record. It's ridiculous. Would you like me to say all pilots are jackasses, just because I think you and some others on here behave as such?

I'm not the one who needs analysis, perhaps you've been through it, but it doesn't look like it's helped with your issues. Judge me all you want, I just will not sit idly by while you boys paint U.S. FAs with a very broad brush. Guys like you are a dime a dozen and maybe, just maybe, you're "mistreated" by FAs because you act like your screen name. Still waiting for you to be honest with yourselves and admit the real reason you prefer foreign FAs. I've also posted this question before but only hear crickets. How many of you want the females in your life to work for a foreign carrier in ANY capacity???

BTW, still waiting for the answer on what "pure cant" means. I guess I really am stoooopit..

Cant;

noun. slang - jargon - hypocrisy

 

[zonejumper]

Cant;

noun. slang - jargon - hypocrisy

I'm not the hypocrite here, you are. Again, just admit you prefer foreign FAs to US ones since they're easier on the eyes. You'll feel better once you let it out.