Delta etops 777-200ER

[PaulThomas]

Can anyone share what rule time they operate under?

Thanks

 

[Cookie Monster]

207 min

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Golden Rule

 

[RJAA]

Huh? Why use 207? What for? 180 is more than plenty over the Atlantic, anything beyond toward India is within 60 minutes of adequate airport.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

atl-jnb might be a reason...

atl-syd is in the works I hear which def would require it

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, we are looking at SYD. It is official being worked on now. Late 09 or early 10 is what they are aiming for.

 

[iaflyer]

Pacific

The 207 minutes is for the Pacific flights we do with it - ATL to Shanghai, Seoul and Tokyo.

I'm not sure it's actually needed depending on the days routing, but that is why there is the 207. (trivia: it is 180 minutes plus 15%, Boeing got it all figured out so it covers most of the Pacific).

 

[Herkdrv]

Yes, we are looking at SYD. It is official being worked on now. Late 09 or early 10 is what they are aiming for.

How long would ATL-SYD be?

 

[RJAA]

The 207 minutes is for the Pacific flights we do with it - ATL to Shanghai, Seoul and Tokyo.

I'm not sure it's actually needed depending on the days routing, but that is why there is the 207. (trivia: it is 180 minutes plus 15%, Boeing got it all figured out so it covers most of the Pacific).

It's rare when you need 207 min over the NOPAC. At least at my operation. It's gonna take some serious weather stink over the Siberia and Alaska, particularly during hard winter months. ATD-SYD maybe an exception. Polar is also 180 min.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would guess somewhere in the ballpark of 17:30- 18:00. About the same time for ATL-BOM. Any more and they will have to use three crews

 

[Herkdrv]

I would guess somewhere in the ballpark of 17:30- 18:00. About the same time for ATL-BOM. Any more and they will have to use three crews

Would this make it the longest non-stop route? If not does anybody know who holds the record?

 

[OCP]

I think delta does with their mombi (sp?) route

 

[another cfii]

I think CAL's EWR->HKG is pretty long as well. Or I think BA has a few long ones as well.

 

[PaulThomas]

Thanks everyone

 

[Sedona16]

Longest Flights by Hours in the Air

Would this make it the longest non-stop route? If not does anybody know who holds the record?

Currently the longest flight by all US Flag Carriers is Mumbai to JFK by Delta Airlines with a 777-200LR at 16 hours.

The longest flight for any airline in the world is currently Newark to Singapore by Singapore Airlines with an Airbus A340-500 at 18 hours 40 minutes.

I expect longer flights to emerge in the coming 12 months.

 

[flatspin7]

Currently the longest flight by all US Flag Carriers is Mumbai to JFK by Delta Airlines with a 777-200LR at 16 hours.

The longest flight for any airline in the world is currently Newark to Singapore by Singapore Airlines with an Airbus A340-500 at 18 hours 40 minutes.

I expect longer flights to emerge in the coming 12 months.

UM CAL does Mumbai from EWR... wouldnt that be like 8 mile longer!!!


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[GogglesPisano]

Apparently when DAL asked Boeing for aux tanks on the LR's (the longest-range commercial airliner in the world) Boeing's response was, "If you need aux tanks on this thing you're going the wrong way."

Big plans in the works.

 

[~~~^~~~]

GogglesPisano,

Big plans? Care to speculate?

 

[General Lee]

GogglesPisano,

Big plans? Care to speculate?

Just speculation of course......SYD, SIN, HKG from ATL on 777LRS. 744s to JNB, TLV, Sao Paulo.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

ATL-BOM and vice versa starts in november. That is 17+55 on the return leg... I believe that will be the longest that any US carrier does.

ATL-SYD... bring a sleeping bag and a few cases of coke and doritos!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Makes sense.

Just read today that BA was redeploying their 747-4's and 777's to keep the 747's on the "shorter" long range ops and place the 777's on the ultra long range legs. According to them, quoted in AW&ST, the 777 is about 24% more efficient.

I'm getting more curious about the fate of the 787.

 

[the turtle]

Little off topic, but when we do the Dubai-Houston on the -200, when you're the augment crew you show up, sit in the jumpseat for the climb through ten, then off to the bunk for 8+ hrs. Takes some getting used to!

Looking forward to doing Dubai-LA, SanFran...figure that will be 8-9 hrs bunk time, easy.

 

[michael707767]

I would guess somewhere in the ballpark of 17:30- 18:00. About the same time for ATL-BOM. Any more and they will have to use three crews

depends on whether you are referring to the FARs or the contract. According to a 777 LCA I know, they can go up to a 22.5 hour duty day with two crews. The contract limits them to an 18 hour flight, but given ALPAs history, I know they will modify the contract to accomodate these flights.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am talking block. If it goes above 18 hrs of block they will need more than two crews to "fly" the route. Not duty time.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

You are probably correct. We already signed a waver to over 16 hrs.

 

[michael707767]

I am talking block. If it goes above 18 hrs of block they will need more than two crews to "fly" the route. Not duty time.

Yes, I realize you are talking block. Evidently the block doesn't matter, in terms of needing more crew.

 

[PreContact]

Wayyyyyyy too long to be in a jet...although been there/done that in the KC-10 (16+ hours)...to the same airport!

 

[Father Jack]

Little off topic, but when we do the Dubai-Houston on the -200, when you're the augment crew you show up, sit in the jumpseat for the climb through ten, then off to the bunk for 8+ hrs. Takes some getting used to!

Looking forward to doing Dubai-LA, SanFran...figure that will be 8-9 hrs bunk time, easy.

And two or more p breaks fighting your way through Calcutta!

 

[Spooky 2]

Apparently when DAL asked Boeing for aux tanks on the LR's (the longest-range commercial airliner in the world) Boeing's response was, "If you need aux tanks on this thing you're going the wrong way."

Big plans in the works.

There are several different aux tank combinations available for the 777LR. Only problem is that the take away from the useful payload in most operational scenarios. I beleive that Air India might be the only carrier so far to opt for this configuration and I'm not sure if it's 1, 2 or three tanks.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

JFK - Mombai is getting shifted to ATL Nov 1, that might close in on Singapore's route...