Delta direct-entry Captain hires?

[dickburns]

Is Delta really hiring 757/767 captains for international stuff? I know someone claiming that guys are getting on and going straight to those planes, JFK based, and flying the international trips. How does that work on the seniority list, wouldn't these guys technically be junior to someone sitting right seat on a mad-dog, whom I'd assume would HAPPILY take the upgrade to the 757/767 and fly international ops?

Just seems odd, never really thought they'd do that with how much value is placed on seniority these days.

 

[Crucianpilot]

My guess is you don't seem to understand how seniority works. Impossible to get hired straight into the left seat, unless you are referring to IRO flying which just involves occupying the seat on trips.

 

[dickburns]

*I* don't understand how seniority works?

Lol, read my question buddy. That's exactly why I'm asking, because as I said, any new hire would be junior to a guy sitting right seat in a mad-dog so I'm not sure how that newhire would be able to go right to the left seat on a 757/767.

I guess my source is lying or full of sh!t.

On a related note, how hard is it to get the right seat on a 757/767 as a new hire at Delta?

 

[ultrarunner]

Is Delta really hiring 757/767 captains for international stuff?

No

I know someone claiming that guys are getting on and going straight to those planes, JFK based, and flying the international trips. How does that work

They are First Officiers

on the seniority list, wouldn't these guys technically be junior to someone sitting right seat on a mad-dog

Yes

whom I'd assume would HAPPILY take the upgrade to the 757/767 and fly international ops?

No. JFK can be a $hitty life-style.

Just seems odd, never really thought they'd do that with how much value is placed on seniority these days.

They don't. Go back to sleep. All is well.

 

[CitationLover]

the first [/quote] does not need the / for each paired quote.

 

[ultrarunner]

*I* don't understand how seniority works?

Nope

Lol, read my question buddy. That's exactly why I'm asking, because as I said, any new hire would be junior to a guy sitting right seat in a mad-dog so I'm not sure how that newhire would be able to go right to the left seat on a 757/767.

THEY AREN'T

I guess my source is lying or full of sh!t.

No, just doesn't know how seniority works either.

On a related note, how hard is it to get the right seat on a 757/767 as a new hire at Delta?

Luck of the draw. New hires are getting it.

 

[~~~^~~~]

767(includes the 757)/767ER went senior on this last Advanced Entitlement bid. Pilots who were holding off for enough junior guys to come over below them figured now might be a good time to move if the NWA merger happens.

Delta is just finishing taking delivery of 17 pre-owned 757's from AA. The 757 staffing was moving pretty quick back during the delivery period. Now things will slow down a bit on that airframe.

The only movement will be pilots who bid off to the backfill new 777's and 737 Capt. slots.

 

[acbarney]

Don't think it can't happen....CAL is doing this now. They are hiring over age 60 ex management pilots, reinstating their old management positions and then allowing them to fly the position and equipment and pay they held before retirement. They are working around the seniority list and CBA by buying the entire trip from the crews that hold it normally.

Don't let management cry poor, especially when they pull this kind of crap.

 

[ultrarunner]

They are working around the seniority list and CBA by buying the entire trip from the crews that hold it normally.

Sounds like free money to me!

 

[On Your Six]

*I* don't understand how seniority works?

Lol, read my question buddy. That's exactly why I'm asking, because as I said, any new hire would be junior to a guy sitting right seat in a mad-dog so I'm not sure how that newhire would be able to go right to the left seat on a 757/767.

I guess my source is lying or full of sh!t.

On a related note, how hard is it to get the right seat on a 757/767 as a new hire at Delta?[/quote]

Given that the busy summer season is approaching, I am sure a high percentage of each class will have 767ER FO slots out of JFK. Delta always seems short of ER pilots during the summer so they will try to be better prepared this time around. If you enjoy expensive Europe, maybe the 767ER is for you... I hear a bunch of ex-JetBlue pilots got the ER out of JFK.

I do know of newhires who got ATL 757/767 domestic FO slots off the bat.

 

[XTW]

I guess my source is lying or full of sh!t.

Methinks a bit of both.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Sounds like free money to me!

If you don't mind being an FO longer because Captain seats are lost to over 60 captains who should not be in the left seat flying another trip having officially retired prior to Dec. 13th, 2007.

Sounds like a loss of money to me. Getting out of one trip at a time, maybe, while definitely deferring your upgrade or promotion because of your short sidedness, all based on a CAL scab mentality. It will be fun to watch UAL deal with this type of practice.

 

[popgoesbubble]

GRRrrr- Rate![/b] over there like Tony the Tiger. Why would anyone want to leave JetBlue for Delta?

I mean these guys are getting 20 days off and 100 hours of block pay all the free blue chips and coffee they want during those Coast to Coast red eyes No Union Protection even though most of them were die hard Alpa guys from ACA/Independence Air!

Why would anyone want to Leave especially for a Major like Delta? Plus they are getting bigger airplanes didn't you guys hear? international on the Blue.

 

[NoahWerka]

On a related note, how hard is it to get the right seat on a 757/767 as a new hire at Delta?

A buddy of mine is in a Delta new hire class right now. Got on the 76 doing int'l. flying. He was the only one out of eight that had no military experience.

 

[iaflyer]

I think your source is confused - new hires (like me) are able to pick the B767ER base in JFK as First Officers. The base does exclusively international trips - there are no domestic trips in the base. The reason that there were new hires who got this equipment is that other Delta pilots didn't want it and stayed on their equipment (like MD-88) rather than bid for the B757/767 out of JFK. Why? I don't know.

Where the confusion might be is that everyone in new hire class for that base is getting a B757/B767 type rating because we will be international relief pilots. Most of the flights are over 8 hours, so it needs three pilots or more to do the trip legally. Delta flies these trips with one Captain and two First Officers. At some point, there are two first officers sitting in the seats while the Captain rests in the back. We are not the Captain but we need to be typed.

 

[737 Pylt]

I think your source is confused - new hires (like me) are able to pick the B767ER base in JFK as First Officers. The base does exclusively international trips - there are no domestic trips in the base. The reason that there were new hires who got this equipment is that other Delta pilots didn't want it and stayed on their equipment (like MD-88) rather than bid for the B757/767 out of JFK. Why? I don't know.

Mostly because our reserve system stinks! Unless you live in NYC, its pretty rough to be on 2 hour short call, up to 8 days a month, because it covers a 24hr period. You're going to spend a lot of time in the crash pad. However, lots of reserve guys that I have flown with, say they are getting used on every short call day!

Where the confusion might be is that everyone in new hire class for that base is getting a B757/B767 type rating because we will be international relief pilots. Most of the flights are over 8 hours, so it needs three pilots or more to do the trip legally. Delta flies these trips with one Captain and two First Officers. At some point, there are two first officers sitting in the seats while the Captain rests in the back. We are not the Captain but we need to be typed.

Maybe that's why his friend is telling everyone that he is a "captain.":laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[ultrarunner]

Maybe that's why his friend is telling everyone that he is a "captain.":laugh: :laugh:

737

I was thinking the same thing....glad you said it!!

 

[popgoesbubble]

That's almost as bad as when I use to run into the Comair guys at the Grocery store in there Uniform and they would tell You that they were Delta Mainline.

What's the story with International trips going so Junior now is it Low Block or that a lot are Red Eye trips or that the Dollar sucks. I have friends over at CO and they say the same thing over there New hires are getting 75/76 EWR and being junior manned to international trips.

 

[737 Pylt]

That's almost as bad as when I use to run into the Comair guys at the Grocery store in there Uniform and they would tell You that they were Delta Mainline.

:laugh:
As much as they hate us, they can't wait to tell everyone they're one of us!

What's the story with International trips going so Junior now is it Low Block or that a lot are Red Eye trips or that the Dollar sucks. I have friends over at CO and they say the same thing over there New hires are getting 75/76 EWR and being junior manned to international trips.

Pop:
For Delta, its because NY is expensive, especially for crack houses.....I mean crash pads. The reserve system here stinks! If you're on short call, you can be assigned up to 8 shourt calls per month, which can take up 16 days because they're 24 hours long. So you have to sit in your crash pad. Not too attractive for someone living out of base. If you're in base, its kind of good! Besides, the stress of commuting in and out of JFK let alone any NYC airport will not be very low!

737

 

[Goren]

Why 76ER Copilots are so junior in NY

Yes...two classes of DAL new hires where hired directly into the right seat of the 767ER based in NY. When you look at the difference in pay between flying the right seat of the MD-88 verses the right seat of the ER...reduce from 85 to 70 hours (tough to fill up in NY)...remove federal, state and NY city taxes...the pay is a wash...and it is VERY expensive to live and work in NY (duh). No...DAL is not hiring directly into the left seat; however, the junior Captain in NY is only 1200 pilots from the bottom of the list...another example of the lack of pay reflecting the seniority of the aircraft, base and seat.

 

[jke406]

On a related note, how hard is it to get the right seat on a 757/767 as a new hire at Delta?

You should probably worry about getting hired first, dick.