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Delta cutting fall flights



By Alexander Coolidge • [email protected] • July 9, 2008


Delta Air Lines says it will cut almost 23 percent of flights this fall out of the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport as it battles sky-high fuel prices.

Roughly 314 flights will depart the Hebron airport on peak days with the most traffic, compared with about 407 flights last fall and about 370 this month.
Part of those cuts are part of the normal reduced schedule for the slower fall flying season, but Delta officials say fuel prices have also forced the airline to reduce service at CVG and elsewhere. Delta didn’t release details on which specific cities and flights are being trimmed.

“Everybody knows what’s happening with fuel – it’s hitting us hard,” said Robert Cortelyou, senior vice president of network planning, in an interview today. The spot price of a gallon of jet fuel today was $3.95, roughly double the cost a year ago.
Cortelyou said Cincinnati isn’t being singled out for cuts, noting Delta’s other hubs are also seeing dozens of flights eliminated. He noted other airlines have similarly curtailed flights out of hubs in Cleveland and Chicago.

Other airports seeing significant Delta cuts are its other hubs in Atlanta and Salt Lake City as well as Boston, Orlando. Delta’s operation at New York’s JFK Airport is actually expanding as the carrier ramps up international flights at the same time it reduces domestic flying.

Even Atlanta – our biggest hub and the biggest airport in the world – is taking a haircut,” Cortelyou said.

Cortelyou stressed Delta remains committed to maintaining its hub at CVG and said the airline is targeting cuts at flights to smaller markets with mostly connecting passengers. Cutting service will protect Delta’s profitability, which keeps the hub strong, he said.

“There’s not a plug being pulled – CVG is still one of the largest hubs in the country,” said Cortelyou, noting the airport would remain the third biggest in the Midwest behind Chicago and Detroit.

The airline is also trying to minimize the elimination of direct service to destinations by instead trimming the number of flights to various cities. Nonetheless, Delta will offer direct service to about 99 destinations versus 112 a year ago.

Late last year, Delta announced it would cut flights to combat the soaring cost of fuel – since then it has twice deepened the target for reduced flying. As of last month, Delta said it will reduce available seating capacity this year by 13 percent.

Earlier this year, Delta announced it would solicit thousands of its employees for buyouts. The company said last month it would give severance to all 4,000 employees who volunteered – twice the number initially targeted.

Atlanta-based Delta had 55,044 total full-time employees as of the end of last year, including 2,700 based at the airport in Hebron.




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Looks like Delta is trying to shrink it's way to profitability. It didn't work last time...what makes them think it will work this time.
 
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Still one of the best things I have ever done. This AF desk jockey has no clue what he is talking about, and really needs to get back to work and clean his bunk room.


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Looks like Gerbil is still sticking his head in the sand. This moron would tell you all is well as the Titanic starts to list. Find a life raft Delta guys.
 
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Still one of the best things I have ever done. This AF desk jockey has no clue what he is talking about, and really needs to get back to work and clean his bunk room.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I was in the process of adding him to my ignore list when I scrolled down just a bit more and read your post. :) Great minds think alike. Tanker Clown just...doesn't think.



I think MEM could have the same thing happen to it on the red tail side, however, it is so much RJs already and not much mainline that I don't know how they could cut back the mainline stuff much more than they already have. And the RJ stuff is maybe just connecting people to more RJ stuff. MEM seems a bit pointless in the grand scheme of things, the more I think about it.
 
Look at the press announcement from CMR(OH) yesterday. These cuts were announced a few months ago. CMR is now going to take the licks for this.
They are doing the same thing in SLC FWIW.
SKW will probably get the LAX stuff to augment their pull down in SLC. CMR is just the accumulator in the system, and they can be grown or shrunk at any time.
 
Bad for the employees and their families.

Good for passengers. The CVG Comair Terminal is a customer service nightmare.
 
General,
It sounds to me like the person you ignored had a valid point, and the stock (s) looks to be leaning that way as well. \ I'm glad to see you keep optimistic through this though. I hope you end up being right.
 
“Even Atlanta – our biggest hub and the biggest airport in the world – is taking a haircut,” Cortelyou said.

They are taking something else. And they are taking it in a place that should be an exit hole.
 
Where in the article does it say they're cutting mainly RJs?


I guess you missed the part about Comair laying off 300 pilots and 220 stews. They are dumping planes with that.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General,
It sounds to me like the person you ignored had a valid point, and the stock (s) looks to be leaning that way as well. \ I'm glad to see you keep optimistic through this though. I hope you end up being right.

Almost all airline stocks are down, mostly due to high fuel. Their market caps aren't worth much, but the cash on hand says a lot. The DL/NWA combo will have around $7 billion (which includes $1 billion in revolving credit) and that will be used to try to survive this high fuel environment and outlast competitors. That is key. Others will fail eventually, and a lot of those will not come back. When only a few are left, then fares will stablize and hopefully profits will return. And we aren't really a lost cause, since foreign airlines will probably invest in us (JB and Lufthansa already did this) if we need it (AF said they would contribute up to $750 million if we had needed it for the merger).

As long as high oil affects transportation, Airline stocks probably aren't the thing to invest in. Thank Gawd Tanky Clown understands this........ Instead, everyone should be happy that the Pentagon doesn't ever over spend for the Air Force......there is NEVER any wasteful spending there---except for Hanky Tanky's payroll....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Good for passengers. The CVG Comair Terminal is a customer service nightmare.

...as compared to? What leads you to that conclusion!? Have you seen the JFK Feed Lot?

The 300 number came from VP Flight Ops, DS, who's currently in a pi$$ing contest with ALPA for booting him off the seniority list. Planning guys say it'll be less than that. Hopefully, the company will offer buyouts to the seniors and COLAs to the rest who want to take a break for a while.
 
I guess you missed the part about Comair laying off 300 pilots and 220 stews. They are dumping planes with that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Forgive me for not reading every Delta/Comair related article, but the article you posted in THIS thread makes no mention of Comair anywhere. I don't care who's dropping what flights, you just implied by the title of your post that the press release you pasted was announcing Comair cuts specifically. I realize you just inserted your own commentary.
 
...as compared to? What leads you to that conclusion!? Have you seen the JFK Feed Lot?

The 300 number came from VP Flight Ops, DS, who's currently in a pi$$ing contest with ALPA for booting him off the seniority list. Planning guys say it'll be less than that. Hopefully, the company will offer buyouts to the seniors and COLAs to the rest who want to take a break for a while.
Soaper's daughter in college is smoking hot! Comair should get the hint, we kicked him out of ALPA, now they should kick him out of his job. Possibly the dumbest guy I have ever HAD to talk with.
 
the new delta seems to have it out for the 50 seaters.
No, not really, and not specifically. RJ's perform nearly two thirds of Delta's domestic block hours. When there is an equal cut on a percentage basis, more RJ's are going to get caught because of their larger numbers.

Comair's cuts reflect our cuts and are about the same size as the cuts being taken on your airplane this year, Super.

It could easily be said that our employers have a big love for CRJ900's and E175's. 55% growth is significant. (made more obvious by a Mesaba new hire jump seater in flip flops, baggy shorts and a graphic T shirt that blew off a DAL 767 Captain yesterday :rolleyes:. The A line observed "this "punk" will make Captain in probably two years and will be flying "Delta" passengers :puke: " She's probably more right than she knows.)

The only significant fleet growth are in airplanes that our union Reps have decided we don't want to fly.
 
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No, not really, and not specifically. RJ's perform nearly two thirds of Delta's domestic block hours. When there is an equal cut on a percentage basis, more RJ's are going to get caught because of their larger numbers.

Comair's cuts reflect our cuts and are about the same size as the cuts being taken on your airplane this year, Super.

It could easily be said that our employers have a big love for CRJ900's and E175's. 55% growth is significant. (made more obvious by a Mesaba new hire jump seater in flip flops, baggy shorts and a graphic T shirt that blew off a DAL 767 Captain yesterday :rolleyes:. The A line observed "this "punk" will make Captain in probably two years and will be flying "Delta" passengers :puke: " She's probably more right than she knows.)

The only significant fleet growth are in airplanes that our union Reps have decided we don't want to fly.

Amazingly, I've run into this several times recently. I can't remember this attitude a few years ago, what are these young regional pilots being taught about the jumpseat? They treat it as a right and not the PRIVILEGE it is! Show some respect while jumpseating!

Fins, I hope you or the Capt took care of this situation appropriately.
 
Re: Delta cutting 23% of flights at CVG, mainly RJs...

...a Mesaba new hire jump seater in flip flops, baggy shorts and a graphic T shirt that blew off a DAL 767 Captain yesterday.

Wow. How come there's not a 6 page thread on this already?
 
This is a trend, according to every analyst, that will continue. The trend is the reduction and the eventual elimination of the 50 seat RJ. Actually if you are a Delta or NW pilot this is good news. Fewer RJs and more passengers on "real" jets.
 
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Amazingly, I've run into this several times recently. I can't remember this attitude a few years ago, what are these young regional pilots being taught about the jumpseat? They treat it as a right and not the PRIVILEGE it is! Show some respect while jumpseating!

Fins, I hope you or the Capt took care of this situation appropriately.
He was professionally and respectfully briefed on what was expected by one of Delta's best Captains. However, his story that he was "in a hurry" indicated to me that he knew the rules and made the decision to ignore them. His display of his Mesaba ID at all times just tells me that he did not have situational awareness. He seemed pleased to have used CASS & a busy Gate Agent to sneak past the Captain on his way to the beach.

Another reason for one list. So we don't have B and C teams that don't follow expectations for serving Delta passengers.

My apologies for the thread creep.
 
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This is a trend, according to every analyst, that will continue. The trend is the reduction and the eventual elimination of the 50 seat RJ. Actually if you are a Delta or NW pilot this is good news. Fewer RJs and more passengers on "real" jets.

At what number seats does an aircraft become "real"?
 
At what number seats does an aircraft become "real"?

I don't fly on enough regional jets to give you an accurate answer. It has been my experience that riding on a 50 seat RJ is nothing short of a hellish experience. Zero leg room, limited overhead space hey but at least it is inefficient.

In my home town, three mainline Delta B737 jets have been replaced by six 50 seat RJs. Bad for the customer, bad for Delta, bad for mainline pilots at all airlines.
 
At what number seats does an aircraft become "real"?

Excellent point Joe.

Although I wish mainline had kept the 76 seaters to themselves instead of farming them out to people like us making no more than $100k a year, I recently deadheaded ATL-CVG on a Comair CRJ900. It's interior blew any mainline (short of the 76ER business class) out of the water for comfort, leg room, etc. I was in coach as well.
 
Forgive me for not reading every Delta/Comair related article, but the article you posted in THIS thread makes no mention of Comair anywhere. I don't care who's dropping what flights, you just implied by the title of your post that the press release you pasted was announcing Comair cuts specifically. I realize you just inserted your own commentary.


You got me George Plimpton.


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