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the new delta seems to have it out for the 50 seaters.
No, not really, and not specifically. RJ's perform nearly two thirds of Delta's domestic block hours. When there is an equal cut on a percentage basis, more RJ's are going to get caught because of their larger numbers.

Comair's cuts reflect our cuts and are about the same size as the cuts being taken on your airplane this year, Super.

It could easily be said that our employers have a big love for CRJ900's and E175's. 55% growth is significant. (made more obvious by a Mesaba new hire jump seater in flip flops, baggy shorts and a graphic T shirt that blew off a DAL 767 Captain yesterday :rolleyes:. The A line observed "this "punk" will make Captain in probably two years and will be flying "Delta" passengers :puke: " She's probably more right than she knows.)

The only significant fleet growth are in airplanes that our union Reps have decided we don't want to fly.
 
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No, not really, and not specifically. RJ's perform nearly two thirds of Delta's domestic block hours. When there is an equal cut on a percentage basis, more RJ's are going to get caught because of their larger numbers.

Comair's cuts reflect our cuts and are about the same size as the cuts being taken on your airplane this year, Super.

It could easily be said that our employers have a big love for CRJ900's and E175's. 55% growth is significant. (made more obvious by a Mesaba new hire jump seater in flip flops, baggy shorts and a graphic T shirt that blew off a DAL 767 Captain yesterday :rolleyes:. The A line observed "this "punk" will make Captain in probably two years and will be flying "Delta" passengers :puke: " She's probably more right than she knows.)

The only significant fleet growth are in airplanes that our union Reps have decided we don't want to fly.

Amazingly, I've run into this several times recently. I can't remember this attitude a few years ago, what are these young regional pilots being taught about the jumpseat? They treat it as a right and not the PRIVILEGE it is! Show some respect while jumpseating!

Fins, I hope you or the Capt took care of this situation appropriately.
 
Re: Delta cutting 23% of flights at CVG, mainly RJs...

...a Mesaba new hire jump seater in flip flops, baggy shorts and a graphic T shirt that blew off a DAL 767 Captain yesterday.

Wow. How come there's not a 6 page thread on this already?
 
This is a trend, according to every analyst, that will continue. The trend is the reduction and the eventual elimination of the 50 seat RJ. Actually if you are a Delta or NW pilot this is good news. Fewer RJs and more passengers on "real" jets.
 
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Amazingly, I've run into this several times recently. I can't remember this attitude a few years ago, what are these young regional pilots being taught about the jumpseat? They treat it as a right and not the PRIVILEGE it is! Show some respect while jumpseating!

Fins, I hope you or the Capt took care of this situation appropriately.
He was professionally and respectfully briefed on what was expected by one of Delta's best Captains. However, his story that he was "in a hurry" indicated to me that he knew the rules and made the decision to ignore them. His display of his Mesaba ID at all times just tells me that he did not have situational awareness. He seemed pleased to have used CASS & a busy Gate Agent to sneak past the Captain on his way to the beach.

Another reason for one list. So we don't have B and C teams that don't follow expectations for serving Delta passengers.

My apologies for the thread creep.
 
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This is a trend, according to every analyst, that will continue. The trend is the reduction and the eventual elimination of the 50 seat RJ. Actually if you are a Delta or NW pilot this is good news. Fewer RJs and more passengers on "real" jets.

At what number seats does an aircraft become "real"?
 
At what number seats does an aircraft become "real"?

I don't fly on enough regional jets to give you an accurate answer. It has been my experience that riding on a 50 seat RJ is nothing short of a hellish experience. Zero leg room, limited overhead space hey but at least it is inefficient.

In my home town, three mainline Delta B737 jets have been replaced by six 50 seat RJs. Bad for the customer, bad for Delta, bad for mainline pilots at all airlines.
 
At what number seats does an aircraft become "real"?

Excellent point Joe.

Although I wish mainline had kept the 76 seaters to themselves instead of farming them out to people like us making no more than $100k a year, I recently deadheaded ATL-CVG on a Comair CRJ900. It's interior blew any mainline (short of the 76ER business class) out of the water for comfort, leg room, etc. I was in coach as well.
 
Forgive me for not reading every Delta/Comair related article, but the article you posted in THIS thread makes no mention of Comair anywhere. I don't care who's dropping what flights, you just implied by the title of your post that the press release you pasted was announcing Comair cuts specifically. I realize you just inserted your own commentary.


You got me George Plimpton.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
This is a trend, according to every analyst, that will continue. The trend is the reduction and the eventual elimination of the 50 seat RJ. Actually if you are a Delta or NW pilot this is good news. Fewer RJs and more passengers on "real" jets.

Hopefully that will change.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
No, not really, and not specifically. RJ's perform nearly two thirds of Delta's domestic block hours. When there is an equal cut on a percentage basis, more RJ's are going to get caught because of their larger numbers.

Comair's cuts reflect our cuts and are about the same size as the cuts being taken on your airplane this year, Super.

It could easily be said that our employers have a big love for CRJ900's and E175's. 55% growth is significant. (made more obvious by a Mesaba new hire jump seater in flip flops, baggy shorts and a graphic T shirt that blew off a DAL 767 Captain yesterday :rolleyes:. The A line observed "this "punk" will make Captain in probably two years and will be flying "Delta" passengers :puke: " She's probably more right than she knows.)

The only significant fleet growth are in airplanes that our union Reps have decided we don't want to fly.


I agree but again you are talking about 70 seaters and i was talking about 50 seaters. 50 seaters are on their way out.

Now the 55% increase on the NWA side is OLD news and is nothing new. We are in agreement that it sucks but you keep bringing it up like its something new. Whats the % increase on the dal regional feed over the past couple years? At least now we have a CAP on them.

The significant "growth" you are speaking of again is previously announced growth. I am sure in the near term the majority of the growth will be at the mainline level.
 
I don't fly on enough regional jets to give you an accurate answer. It has been my experience that riding on a 50 seat RJ is nothing short of a hellish experience. Zero leg room, limited overhead space hey but at least it is inefficient.

In my home town, three mainline Delta B737 jets have been replaced by six 50 seat RJs. Bad for the customer, bad for Delta, bad for mainline pilots at all airlines.

Was the DC3 a "real" airplane? Should we put bigger airplanes on routes that can't support the larger aircraft?

I'm 6' 2" and I have had "hellish experiences" sitting in middle coach seats on 757s....Using your logic, the 757 wasn't a "real" airplane.....
 
Now the 55% increase on the NWA side is OLD news and is nothing new. We are in agreement that it sucks but you keep bringing it up like its something new.

The significant "growth" you are speaking of again is previously announced growth. I am sure in the near term the majority of the growth will be at the mainline level.
Super:

I bring it up because we began SLI negotiations on the 7th and will finish them on the 8th of August. The time to fix this is NOW.

My letters and conversations with my reps have left me disappointed. I am told "scope doesn't matter" "scope doesn't work" and "it would cost too much to bring them up to Delta standards."

Well, how much would it cost? Nobody has asked the question. If you, or I, were used as examples, our pay would increase our first year at Compass. Then yours would continue to be higher for the next three years while mine would be only marginally lower.

How much did it cost to bring NWA to Delta's standard? Why did we do it? Why is Compass different when they bring NEW DC9 and MD88 replacements to the table while helping to take back mainline flying?

Joe Merchant is correct that the line in the sand is completely arbitrary and that is why it is so weak. That is why scope doesn't matter, because we are not doing it right.

What Joe pretends not to understand is that this is an ALPA problem. It isn't. It is a problem at the grass roots level which will remain a problem until represented pilots start harranging them until our Reps listen. Now is the right time to be bringing this up.

Respectfully,
Your Squeaky Wheel
 
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Super:

My letters and conversations with my reps have left me disappointed. I am told "scope doesn't matter" "scope doesn't work" and "it would cost too much to bring them up to Delta standards."

Of course that is what they said....The leopard doesn't change it's spots....


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Joe Merchant is correct that the line in the sand is completely arbitrary and that is why it is so weak. That is why scope doesn't matter, because we are not doing it right.

What Joe pretends not to understand is that this is an ALPA problem. It isn't. It is a problem at the grass roots level which will remain a problem until represented pilots start harranging them until our Reps listen.

It is an ALPA problem....ALPA has consistently made the same mistakes over and over again...and continues to support a system that pits us against one another.....

I suspect your solution doesn't include your former ASA pilots does it? Everyone can't pull in the same direction when the game is tug of war.....You have to change the game if you want to get everyone pulling in the same direction....
 
Joe (& in response to Medeco)

Compass is an obvious step in the right direction since it already has the same representational structure, ownership, bilateral flow, concurrent seniority rights and growth in desirable equipment.

This is political. Compass on the SLI has a slim to zero chance. Scope negotiations are done. The Compass SLI is the only opportunity at the moment.

My utopian vision is One List across the brand. All Delta flying performed by Delta pilots. Even if that spanned different certificates, corporate structures and contracts. It is the only way to end outsourcing of Delta flying.

I am but one pilot in an ocean of ALPA members, most who do not share my enthusiasm for ALPA's founding principles. ALPA represents its members and until the membership is convinced, ALPA will not change direction. You can't realistically argue ALPA isn't doing it's job when we keep ratifying our agreements, can you? I'm going to vote for the JPWA and think the Reps did a great job.

Rather than spend your time throwing rocks at ALPA and the mainline pilots, there is constructive work to be done trying to get ASA and SkyWest together.

There are a lot of bridges to be built and it is ten times the work to repair the damage done by forum bomb throwing than it is to just be patient and rational in everything you post. (yes, I too am guilty)
 
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I was in the process of adding him to my ignore list when I scrolled down just a bit more and read your post. :) Great minds think alike. Tanker Clown just...doesn't think.



I think MEM could have the same thing happen to it on the red tail side, however, it is so much RJs already and not much mainline that I don't know how they could cut back the mainline stuff much more than they already have. And the RJ stuff is maybe just connecting people to more RJ stuff. MEM seems a bit pointless in the grand scheme of things, the more I think about it.


The BEST thing I have ever done on this board is put tanker pu$$y on my ignore list. What a tool.

I have pretty much put the word out on him down here to the guys who hire at DAL. If/when we hire, he will NEVER get a chance. I would suggest you all do the same at your airline, unless you want him working there. PM me and I will give you his name so you can forward it on to those who need to know.

Just doing my part to keep the tools out!
 
Super:

I bring it up because we began SLI negotiations on the 7th and will finish them on the 8th of August. The time to fix this is NOW.

My letters and conversations with my reps have left me disappointed. I am told "scope doesn't matter" "scope doesn't work" and "it would cost too much to bring them up to Delta standards."

Well, how much would it cost? Nobody has asked the question. If you, or I, were used as examples, our pay would increase our first year at Compass. Then yours would continue to be higher for the next three years while mine would be only marginally lower.

How much did it cost to bring NWA to Delta's standard? Why did we do it? Why is Compass different when they bring NEW DC9 and MD88 replacements to the table while helping to take back mainline flying?

Joe Merchant is correct that the line in the sand is completely arbitrary and that is why it is so weak. That is why scope doesn't matter, because we are not doing it right.

What Joe pretends not to understand is that this is an ALPA problem. It isn't. It is a problem at the grass roots level which will remain a problem until represented pilots start harranging them until our Reps listen. Now is the right time to be bringing this up.

Respectfully,
Your Squeaky Wheel

We are in agreement on the subject and i have emailed my reps on the subject as you know and i dont think its correct to say the MEC isnt concerned with SCOPE. We did tighten scope and put a cap on it thus severely limiting the growth of the regionals. By doing that it ensures future aircraft come to mainline. Especially with oil at these prices, the shift will be towards larger aircraft.

Look at how many 50 seaters are out there that are on the chopping block. Once the 50 seaters get cut that significantly reduces regional capacity which needs to be filled by something and that something will be mainline aircraft. DAL is on the path to get more flying at mainline and improve the product.
 
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Was the DC3 a "real" airplane? Should we put bigger airplanes on routes that can't support the larger aircraft?

No, but we shouldn't place multiple RJs on mainline routes. Like a said, in my city we completely lost all Delta mainline jets. We are left with 6 daily Skywest 50 seat RJs. These jets are miserable to fly on, replace Delta pilots, and lose money for Delta Airlines.

I'll take the center seat of B757 any day over a 50 seat RJ.
 

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