Tanker Clown
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General, you will still be spouting "International" as you go "glub, glub, glub" down for the third time. Int'l has NOT saved your bacon yet and as a former Pan Amer, I can assure you, it will probably won't.
This is a very tenuous theory you often repeat. Where are the results? Running from domestic routes and SWA is not a viable business plan. Besides, SWA has some problems of their own. ggg.
Pan Am had no feed at the end, which really did end their run. You know that. You can't only be an INTL carrier in the US, thanks to better funded INTL airlines that don't depend on the US Dollar. These days, it is better to have a mix of flying, to bring in those INTL currencies that can save your bacon. Most of our passengers on INTL flights are foreigners, capitalizing on the weaker dollar, and they do buy their tickets in foreign currancies that day by day hold their value over the dollar. That can help.
I like how you assert your point: "as a former Pan Amer, I can ASSURE YOU, it will PROBABLY won't." Now, I don't really know what that actually means, but if you are sure of something, you don't add a "probably" to the end of it.
As far as domestic goes, Southwest is lucky that it has it's hedges. If it did not, it would be making more drastic cuts, like other domestic only airlines, like Frontier. Today they completed the sale of 4 Airbus planes to a Russian airline. Domestic only airlines, without huge hedges, really do need a mix of INTL and DOM flying to bring home the bacon.
Bye Bye--General Lee
Told you last Saturday the cuts were coming....before released...
BK court coming again, for alot of airlines .. just hold on.....dam* my source is good.....
BK court coming AGAIN? Really? If the ones who went through BK did not clean their cobbwebs correctly, then maybe. Most of the ones who went through BK have an advantage over the ones who did not. One airline in particular MIGHT fall into the category that you are talking about, but your prognostications are basic. Someone will win the Superbowl next year too.
Bye Bye--General Lee
The NWA pilots get the benefits of this merger in the form of retained DB,Doesn't favor us....you got a better deal in the BK claim & $650m note.....according to you anyway.
How exciting. First, let's agree that the deal is dead and the point is moot. The incentives are off of the table as far as I've been told. Fact. You have a DB. Fact, we don't. We are not going to be brought up to par with your DB. As a result, we are more senior for our age. The DB is a wash with our retirements.
I'm getting 19% now and many others are getting more...do I get to keep that at DAL?
To target you to 50% FAE? That means that you are getting more while somebody else junior to you is getting less. That B scale mentality has been fought and beaten at DAL. You would have been merging with a group that takes care of the whole list.
Here is a question, do you get to keep all of that in BK?
more wide body flying,wow...767300ER's that have fewer seats than our 330's and even our 757-300's and pay....You guessed it! 10% more than our 757....just like every other a/c comparison
You like to try and minimize this, but there are 28 more international aircraft in our fleet, and our pay and work rules are better. Cloud it how you like in order to attempt to avoid it.
BFD greater increases in pay, greater strides in work rules.
Yeah, BFD. Whatever. It's all about money and quality of life in this biz. Let's just gloss over that 19% raise, and the immeasurable betterment of work rules. BFD. Right
In exchange, the NWA pilots do not get DOH.Never asked for/suggested DOH. You should really try checking some facts first.
Correct. You tried for worse than DOH. I was being nice.
Then why is Moak so scared of it? Should be a slam dunk for you.
Not scared of it. Buying time. Negotiating position of the Delta pilots will only get better as time goes on.
No, the unknown is how long the $ enhancements would last.Probably as long as the furlough protection agreed to by both sides lasted. The KNOWN is that the lousy seniority # that the DAL SLI yields would be forever.
Let me put it to you this way. If the incentives would be removed from the combined carrier, it would have been an environment which will treat you much worse as a stand alone entity. What else is KNOWN is that every NWA pilot would have been better off financially with a Delta implemented seniority list. The numbers don't lie.
This is such a bad deal for you. Why does the NWA MEC chase us so? Can't seem to get a good answer for that one.
If you work for Jet Blue, I seriously doubt you heard that at your indoc.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Take Care Puffy.The NWA pilots get the benefits of this merger in the form of retained DB,Doesn't favor us....you got a better deal in the BK claim & $650m note.....according to you anyway.
How exciting. First, let's agree that the deal is dead and the point is moot. No, first we would have to agree that you have never explained the blatant duplicity of your position on your DB plan vs your claim sale/$650m note.The incentives are off of the table as far as I've been told. Fact. You have a DB. Fact, we don't. Fact: You and every other deltoid here says your replacement retirement bennies have /will exceed the value of the lost DB, yet you want some kind of credit anyway!We are not going to be brought up to par with your DB.Right...you're going to exceed it if the posts here are to be believed. As a result, we are more senior for our age. The DB is a wash with our retirements.
I'm getting 19% now and many others are getting more...do I get to keep that at DAL?
To target you to 50% FAE? That means that you are getting more while somebody else junior to you is getting less. That B scale mentality has been fought and beaten at DAL. You would have been merging with a group that takes care of the whole list.Wow. Pretty stunning lack of understanding there dude...junior/senior to me does not solely determine if they get more or less% than me. Its a combo of seniority/age and age at DOH. Someone junior to me but the same age actually gets more % than me because he has a smaller A fund. Get it? The folks getting 0% are the really senior folks who's frozen A-plan already exceed 50% FAE.Finally, please explain how everyone being equally brought to 50% FAE represents a Bscale to you?!?!
Here is a question, do you get to keep all of that in BK? The DC Plan? You bet your Ass we do. It's in the 401k. Fully vested in our own accounts from day 1.
more wide body flying,wow...767300ER's that have fewer seats than our 330's and even our 757-300's and pay....You guessed it! 10% more than our 757....just like every other a/c comparison
You like to try and minimize this, but there are 28 more international aircraft in our fleet, and our pay and work rules are better. Cloud it how you like in order to attempt to avoid it.
BFD greater increases in pay, greater strides in work rules.
Yeah, BFD. Whatever. It's all about money and quality of life in this biz. Let's just gloss over that 19% raise, and the immeasurable betterment of work rules. BFD. Right. It's all about money....right up until the announcement of furloughs and opening of contracts. Meanwhile the seniority is forever. Simple concept that you guys can't seem to understand. And, as others have said, please provide the "secret details of these vastly greater work rules. I have a copy of both contracts. Do you?
In exchange, the NWA pilots do not get DOH.Never asked for/suggested DOH. You should really try checking some facts first.
Correct. You tried for worse than DOH. I was being nice. Total BS and if you believe THAT, then it seriously calls into question any credibility you had.
Then why is Moak so scared of it? Should be a slam dunk for you.
Not scared of it. Buying time. Negotiating position of the Delta pilots will only get better as time goes on. Riiiiight....have you seen your financial/debt numbers? How about your cash on hand as a multiple of monthly expenses?
No, the unknown is how long the $ enhancements would last.Probably as long as the furlough protection agreed to by both sides lasted. The KNOWN is that the lousy seniority # that the DAL SLI yields would be forever.
Let me put it to you this way. If the incentives would be removed from the combined carrier, it would have been an environment which will treat you much worse as a stand alone entity. What else is KNOWN is that every NWA pilot would have been better off financially with a Delta implemented seniority list. The numbers don't lie. No, but apparently DALPA does. Why, oh why, do you guys always go back to money and never want to talk about seniority? Hmmmm?
This is such a bad deal for you. Why does the NWA MEC chase us so? Can't seem to get a good answer for that one.Because it hasn't happened. Maybe you should actually read our MEC's take on this. If a deal is inevitable, the 2 sides should keep talking. That's all we have said. Nothing being chased by anyone. Call your Rep and find out.