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[Full of LUV]

Ironic that a Delta pilot is complaining about scope. You had your chance in 1996. You were the first.

I wasn't complaining about scope, merely commenting on why you need a union and a contract, otherwise mgmt will naturally gravitate to the lowest cost labor as long as the job is getting done. Also, I was still just a military spectator back in '96. I'm sure DALPA were promised growth and enormous gains in favor of relaxed scope, I hope that all of the mainline has seen the error in that thinking going forward. What the union hasn't sold over the years has been taken with threat of BK.

Also, as the other posters mentioned, as the regional contractors costs rise, the advantage of keeping contractors diminishes, although it's not just pilot pay, it's rampers, ticket takers, baggage handlers and mx that make up more wage savings.

 

[outerlimits]

I doubt it can really go lower now that the new FO minimums will be in place next year. Finding someone with 1,500 hours and an ATP who is willing to work for $15k a year won't be easy.

Your dreaming. From a lot of pilots I fly with, they say this is how it use to be.


The regionals will still have lots of applicants

 

[PCL_128]

First, I think you mean "you're," not "your." Second, how it used to be is irrelevant. When regional airlines used to have 1,500+ hour minimums, major airline captains made $350k base salaries and got whole months off by touching trips to their vacation weeks. Everyone was getting into aviation because they wanted that brass ring. They didn't care that they had to live on ramen noodles and water for a few years to get there. That environment doesn't exist anymore, so neither does the pool of applicants. Kids aren't lining up to get $100k student loans for the possibility of maybe making $150k and getting 15 days off someday. Until major airline pay and working conditions go back up, the pool of applicants just isn't going to be there.

 

[outerlimits]

First, I think you mean "you're," not "your." Second, how it used to be is irrelevant. When regional airlines used to have 1,500+ hour minimums, major airline captains made $350k base salaries and got whole months off by touching trips to their vacation weeks. Everyone was getting into aviation because they wanted that brass ring. They didn't care that they had to live on ramen noodles and water for a few years to get there. That environment doesn't exist anymore, so neither does the pool of applicants. Kids aren't lining up to get $100k student loans for the possibility of maybe making $150k and getting 15 days off someday. Until major airline pay and working conditions go back up, the pool of applicants just isn't going to be there.

YOUR wrong.


Who made 350K.

You might want to fact check. Second your dates are incorrect. Back in the 90s the regional s wanted 1500 TT and had lots of applicants.

Most majors, a captain might make 180k a year. ( After 20 years to upgrade)


The PFT and hired with 250 hours was just a small window of opportunity for some that should have never Happened.


Your, going to make over 350K at Your new job at SWA someday.

Your very lucky to have that opportunity.

I hope your having a good day.

 

[Full of LUV]

Your, going to make over 350K at Your new job at SWA someday.

Just for the record, aviation is littered with people who are "going" to do something. Enjoy what your doing, save what you can, and appreciate what comes along in this business because nothing lasts forever.

 

[jynxyjericho]

YOUR wrong.


Who made 350K.

You might want to fact check. Second your dates are incorrect. Back in the 90s the regional s wanted 1500 TT and had lots of applicants.

Pretty sure American Airlines used to top out at 317 an hour, the top earners and top seniority could sell all their vacation time during December and earn an extra two months pay, plus they only worked 10 days a month back then (although now I guess some of their international guys are down to 8 days). As a top guy, 350 was entirely in reach.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[outerlimits]

Pretty sure American Airlines used to top out at 317 an hour, the top earners and top seniority could sell all their vacation time during December and earn an extra two months pay, plus they only worked 10 days a month back then (although now I guess some of their international guys are down to 8 days). As a top guy, 350 was entirely in reach.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I do not doubt that.The number that made that was small and they were at AA for over 30 years.
The regional s are here to stay, as the Majors are to selfish to do anything about it.

It is wishful thinking that they will be a thing of the past.



PS I think it was UAL not AA. The same guys at UAL making that coin could care less about code share and will give the company as much as they want.

 

[PCL_128]

YOUR wrong.


Who made 350K.

You might want to fact check. Second your dates are incorrect. Back in the 90s the regional s wanted 1500 TT and had lots of applicants.

Most majors, a captain might make 180k a year. ( After 20 years to upgrade)


The PFT and hired with 250 hours was just a small window of opportunity for some that should have never Happened.


Your, going to make over 350K at Your new job at SWA someday.

Your very lucky to have that opportunity.

I hope your having a good day.

You might want to read the legacy contracts from the late '90s and run some calculations on cost of living adjustments. You'll find that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[outerlimits]

You might want to read the legacy contracts from the late '90s and run some calculations on cost of living adjustments. You'll find that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Funny that I think you do not have a clue of what your talking about or how lucky you are to be going to Southwest.

Is it true that someday you will be number one on the senority list there?

 

[PCL_128]

Is it true that someday you will be number one on the senority list there?

Nope.

 

[Full of LUV]

Funny that I think you do not have a clue of what your talking about or how lucky you are to be going to Southwest.

Is it true that someday you will be number one on the senority list there?

Actually outer, you'd be surprised how little luck probably had to do with it.... judging by your posts though, you will probably be wasting your time by applying to other than contractors, you seem a tad bit bitter.... best of LUCK.

 

[outerlimits]

Actually outer, you'd be surprised how little luck probably had to do with it.... judging by your posts though, you will probably be wasting your time by applying to other than contractors, you seem a tad bit bitter.... best of LUCK.

Don't worry about me. I have connections at DAL and SWA.

Just need to decide where to go when I have the time

As far as being bitter, how would that be,?I am glad that the majors outsource. That is how I have a job.
You calling someone bitter is like pot calling kettle

PS getting a job with 250 hours is luck, no matter how you look at it.

 

[outerlimits]

If your grammar and proofreading skills ever improve enough to get you a major interview and job offer, it'll be a freaking miracle. Not to worry, though: the Everest-sized chip on your shoulder will get you fired before you ever see the inside of the sim building. Reading your drivel is incredibly painful.

I bet I will bet you to working at a Major. I will treat you well as my FO



My bad, ,Southwest bought your regional airline and you won the lottery.

 

[ASADFW7]

Can we keep this thread from going sideways?