Wave. Maybe I wasn't so clear on the outsourcing part. Yes, we do it. No I'm not proud of it. No I don't like the fact that we outsource half of domestic flying.
Having read your post, it's obvious you're a furloughed DAL guy who's moved on. You wouldn't be the first one to trash your former employer, and you most certainly won't be the last.
When I talk about calling you a hypocrite, it's not because of outsourcing. Example.....Why don't you go over the the Gulfstream board and tell them they're all sellouts for buying a job.
You obviously didn't choose Southwest as your first choice of airlines. Only after the tragic events of 9-11 did you want a job there. What if 9-11 never happened, and you weren't furloughed? You'd still be here. You'd probably be on the other end of the pendulum talking about how Southwest is still undercutting the legacies.
Let's face it. Southwest has a stellar management team, but the tide is turning. Your posts remind me of the UAL guys in the late 90's. Look at them now. You should really be careful about throwing stones in a glass house.
I understand your anger, but you have no business calling anyone a sellout. Southwest has been selling out the industry for years. The whole "show up for training with a 737 type." The whole, "less than average pay, no retirement, worse work rules....Hence why you are a "low cost carrier." Yes, you are productive. Yes you are better paid. But on the backs of the legacies! You know, those "sellouts," you so proudly trash.
I could care less how you feel now about DAL, just as you could care less about how me or anyone else feels about SWA. I want us all to make more money, and having Southwest around at a time when 9-11 happened, well, who's pay do you think they wanted us to be lower than?
So forgive me for not being more clear on the outsourcing part. I'm not proud of it, but when you call someone else a "sellout," without looking in the mirror, it just shows your ignorance.
Have a good night.
Scoot
And BTW, WTF is the deal with you guys taxiing around at warp speed and getting into the air and doing .77?:laugh::beer:
For guys that are always in such a BF hurry on the ground, you sure fly slow at altitudes. Come on man, just pick up the speed damn it!
Wave, I like a lot of your posts and you don't stoop to the "name calling makes your point more valid" school of thought, so, that said........ Scoots post was a very fair and a non bashing perspective of why some of us roll our eyes at the SWA RULES! posts on here. Delta (and I don't work there as you know) has accomplished much more as an airline than SWA, they have a longer history and they pioneered the concept of labor friendly management. I recall their employees buying the company a 767! They have had to compete with the LCC'c cherry picking their route structure, LCC's that paid less, had pilots willing to buy a type to get hired and yes SWA helped undermine the retirement plans of many. You still only have a 401k with not industry leading matching. That's not a bash, it just is what it is. Fair enough, it's called capitalism and it beats the alternative, but it's not always fair. The point is, as scoot says, anything can happen to any of us. SWAPA has not exactly raised the bar of our profession, they have just found a way to get in the game and prosper,,,for now. As DAL has proven, you can be the best run, most employee friendly airline around and it doesn't mean that it can't change. Actually it will change, not if, just when. Maybe 5 years maybe 50 years, but every company changes it's skin over time.
As far as the code sharing goes, SWA decided to expand with 737's into Canada and Mexico, their initial plan was to use non SWA crews......glass houses dude. None of our airlines are perfect and you can find something to throw stones about at anyone, it's wild career not for the faint hearted. But the whole "SWAPA rules ALPA sucks and SWA is the best!" banter is short sighted and hypocritical.
Take this as a friendly observation, we all just fly airplanes and it's pretty silly to play the "my airline can beat up your airline" game.
