Delta and college GPA

[rumpletumbler]

I don't get it. If a company wants to require a degree that's their prerogative.

There are plenty of idiots with degrees and plenty of smart people without them and vice versa.

What's the end game here? Do the you don't need one folks want the government to regulate hiring at Delta? Maybe just go to an office like one where you would be given food stamps and fill out a request and be given a job at Delta?

 

[pilotyip]

There are plenty of idiots with degrees and plenty of smart people without them and vice versa.

Thank you we argree upon something, but it is a stupid requirement that has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Now if they made a score of 29 on the ACT test a requirement then they woudl looking for intelligence, not just a piece of paper.

 

[DCAA320]

Why aren't you?

Is ASA your boyfriend?

 

[DCAA320]

I'm no longer at a regional... And the sentiment is returned. Go forth and multiply.

Where are you?

 

[PCL_128]

Thank you we argree upon something, but it is a stupid requirement that has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Now if they made a score of 29 on the ACT test a requirement then they woudl looking for intelligence, not just a piece of paper.

The ACT does not measure intelligence.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

The ACT does not measure intelligence.

Dang rights..making up stories about being a business owner on a forum board does.

 

[pilotyip]

The ACT does not measure intelligence.

Then why is it used as screening device at all the major universities and service academy? I believe there is a correlation between that score and success in a learning environment
.

 

[jonjuan]

The ACT does not measure intelligence.

Nor does alpa.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Then why is it used as screening device at all the major universities and service academy? I believe there is a correlation between that score and success in a learning environment
.

Intelligence and success in a learning environment are not the same thing.

 

[PCL_128]

Then why is it used as screening device at all the major universities and service academy?

Because it measures college aptitude. Not the same thing as intelligence. Someone with an IQ of 100 but an ACT score of 29 may be very well suited to succeed in a college environment because that person has acquired excellent learning and study skills, but that person's innate intelligence is still merely average. If you want to measure intelligence, you need to use something like the Stanford-Binet IQ test. Knowledge, aptitude, and intelligence are all different things.

 

[waveflyer]

Thank you we argree upon something, but it is a stupid requirement that has nothing to do with flying an airplane. Now if they made a score of 29 on the ACT test a requirement then they woudl looking for intelligence, not just a piece of paper.

Ok- now sort this-
One test does not equal the applicable lessons that a body of work over four years ingrains into someone.
A college degree is far more valuable than a 29 ACT score. Far more valuable.

Haven't we all see people in all walks of life that have great aptitude, but do nothing with it?

Screw that. Sorry yip. Studying up for one test is not the same as showing up every day working your ass off, OVERCOMING your shortcomings and finishing a degree.

 

[pilotyip]

Ok- now sort this-
One test does not equal the applicable lessons that a body of work over four years ingrains into someone.
A college degree is far more valuable than a 29 ACT score. Far more valuable.

But that is not what we are talking about, we are talking about taking 10 years, no time on campus, 60 credits for life expereince, the rest on-luine never going in a class room. And Whamo you now have a BA/BS and it treated the same as finishing a Nuclear Engineering degere from the Univ of Mich.

Recently in WSJ, college grads with over $50K of studnet loans have a lower disposable income than non-college graduates because of loan payment burden.

BTW back to this liberal vs conservatiive, Are the Occupiy Wall Street guys represent

 

[waveflyer]

But that is not what we are talking about, we are talking about taking 10 years, no time on campus, 60 credits for life expereince, the rest on-luine never going in a class room. And Whamo you now have a BA/BS and it treated the same as finishing a Nuclear Engineering degere from the Univ of Mich.

Recently in WSJ, college grads with over $50K of studnet loans have a lower disposable income than non-college graduates because of loan payment burden.

BTW back to this liberal vs conservatiive, Are the Occupiy Wall Street guys represent

I have no idea what your last line is trying to ask

Those two degrees aren't treated the same. Do you treat them the same?
I do not know a degree where one can get 60 credits for "life experience" I got a few credits for my pilot's licenses towards my aviation management degree- but not as many as the time it took to get them-

I think you're arguing against a system you've made up in your own head-
The recruiters that I know do consider what degree and where, once you get past the algorithm -
Now if you got into MIT, struggled, and got a degree there with a 1.8gpa, that may have been harder than a riddle correspondence program- but it also doesn't show very good decision making ability to stay with a program you're failing at often.
Our choices also matter. Why would an airline view it as a positive that a candidate continually over-estimates his/her abilities with one of life's biggest decisions and years of data showing them they're wrong?

So maybe it's better to succeed at a less difficult venture and build off that, then fail over and over at something that's beyond your grasp-

I know it's very PC to not be afraid to fail- and that's true- ONLY IF IT LEADS TO EVENTUAL SUCCESS. If you fail in the end- all you've done is show the world you know how to fail.

 

[rajflyboy]

Ok- now sort this-
One test does not equal the applicable lessons that a body of work over four years ingrains into someone.
A college degree is far more valuable than a 29 ACT score. Far more valuable.

Haven't we all see people in all walks of life that have great aptitude, but do nothing with it?

Screw that. Sorry yip. Studying up for one test is not the same as showing up every day working your ass off, OVERCOMING your shortcomings and finishing a degree.

There are many millionaires who did not go to college or dropped out

other than doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers and dentists...... college isn't worth much in the real world

many kids would be much better off at the community college in a technical field learning some type of hands on skill

 

[maru657]

It also might have something to do with the fact that most majors don't count rotary-wing time, only fixed-wing. Unless they had a bunch of that time as well, their lack of a college degree wasn't their main show stopper. Of course, if they put you down as a reference, that would also sink anyone, probably even Chuck Yeager.
We'll gee Bubba, I was flying 727's with them. They flew sooo much better than the zoomies, and considering the rotary wing time, who set those standards? Maybe the same bozos who insisted upon a degree in advanced basket weaving.
The salient facts are, your lifestyle is the result of unions and union activity. You know, socialism. Your job is the result of job requirements which favor "Your" background regardless of actual skill or experience. Try to give that some consideration during your first adversarial experience, when your counting on the support of other pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

I have no idea what your last line is trying to ask

I know it's very PC to not be afraid to fail- and that's true- ONLY IF IT LEADS TO EVENTUAL SUCCESS. If you fail in the end- all you've done is show the world you know how to fail.

Yea I don't know what happened to the end of that sentence, "BTW back to this liberal vs conservative, Are the Occupy Wall Street guys represent the liberals of the US. Sex, drugs, trash, no personal responsibilities like respecting others, cleaning up after your self. etc. Then there are those crazy conservatives Tea Party nuts, who clean up after themselves, conduct themselves with dignity, and generally people you would not be sorry about if the came by your town" So if that is not lib vs cons please tell what is, I am standing by for my wife's answer, "If you don't know I am not going to waste my time explaining it."

BTW 60 credit hours + for life experience check it out

http://www.lifeexperiencedegreeindex.com/

 

[DCAA320]

college isn't worth much in the real world

You went to a ********************ty school

 

[SWA Bubba]

We'll gee Bubba, I was flying 727's with them. They flew sooo much better than the zoomies, and considering the rotary wing time, who set those standards? Maybe the same bozos who insisted upon a degree in advanced basket weaving.
The salient facts are, your lifestyle is the result of unions and union activity. You know, socialism. Your job is the result of job requirements which favor "Your" background regardless of actual skill or experience. Try to give that some consideration during your first adversarial experience, when your counting on the support of other pilots.

Hey, do me a favor and try to stick to one conversation at a time, will ya'?

1. You said "helo pilots"; you mentioned nothing about 727s. Make up your mind, already. Senior moment?

2. What has my lifestyle and unionism got the first thing to do with what we were discussing? My company hired me, not my union. My job is the result of my background (and sparkling personality, of course!), which has a lot to do with actual skill and experience. Airline hiring standards are set by hiring managers who have the benefit of literally generations of observation, trial and error, and the advice of pretty smart people. Fortunately for the world and the traveling public, nobody makes hiring decisions based on anecdotes and advice from washed-up has-beens like yourself.

3. There's a difference between believing in unions and believing in socialism. One only need compare me with PCL to see that difference. You and Wave don't seem to be able to accept that someone can agree with having unions without being a democrat, simply because it invalidates a good deal of your argument. That's your problem, not mine.

4. Besides, what do YOU care about unions and unionism? You're a proud scab wanna-be:

I think Flopgut has some inside knowledge regarding the mess perpetuated by the UAL MEC in 86 and frankly I never crossed a line but I would cross a UAL line.

5. I've been in adversarial positions before, but don't worry Maru--I'll continue to give your ideas and advice absolutely zero consideration in those situations.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

There are many millionaires who did not go to college or dropped out

other than doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers and dentists...... college isn't worth much in the real world

many kids would be much better off at the community college in a technical field learning some type of hands on skill

There is nothing on this planet that agrees with the above statement except right wing propaganda that is mad that people leave college more liberal than the right would want them to

 

[pilotyip]

nobody makes hiring decisions based on anecdotes and advice from washed-up has-beens like yourself.

Besides, what do YOU care about unions and unionism? You're a proud scab wanna-be:

Bubba

Now now, be nice, your posts are normally above the personal level, this post really doesn't what I have sen in the past. Maybe you are having a bad day or the FI virus is infecting us all.