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Very true and, moreover, also very true of senior regional pilots.
And before you say senior guys don't care, try to remember that commuting on RJs stinks, even for them, and real senior guys are and will be leaving shortly for good. Don't expect any wiggle room from mainline pilots. But, maybe more mainline jobs will open with those retirements on the way.
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Indeed.
I'll reiterate my previous points, pilot have serious cases of amnesia and a tendency to forget the mistakes they've made in the past.
If that senior guy gets a big fat paycheck and/or an enhanced retirement plan, that commute on the RJ won't seem so bad. Just like it did for him in the 90's, or in the contracts of 2000/2001
And I'll repeat another point, if the retirement package in enhanced, it will definitely have an impact on how the top half of the seniority demographics vote. Especially with the paycuts, as well the carriers that lost retirement plans.
You can argue round and round if you wish how legacy guys are going to stand strong on scope. And that's fine. But again, I'll believe it when I see it. The track record isn't so stellar you know.
Indeed.
I'll reiterate my previous points, pilot have serious cases of amnesia and a tendency to forget the mistakes they've made in the past.
If that senior guy gets a big fat paycheck and/or an enhanced retirement plan, that commute on the RJ won't seem so bad. Just like it did for him in the 90's, or in the contracts of 2000/2001
And I'll repeat another point, if the retirement package in enhanced, it will definitely have an impact on how the top half of the seniority demographics vote. Especially with the paycuts, as well the carriers that lost retirement plans.
You can argue round and round if you wish how legacy guys are going to stand strong on scope. And that's fine. But again, I'll believe it when I see it. The track record isn't so stellar you know.
I honestly don't blame them. What would most people do if they said "Here, I will give you $500k (I am making up the number) if you vote this way. It will not affect you in the least, and there is nothing 'immoral' about it"? There are some that may talk big, but I would have a hard time passing up that cash. Don't get me wrong, I hope they don't vote for more scope relaxation, but as the quote above says, I will believe it when I see it.
There was no relaxation in the joint contract between DL/NWA (there has always been a cap or limit on 70-76 seaters), and Unical ALPA is now going after some of that very flying.
The higher pay is coming regardless now, since Airtran (once a very low cost carrier with lower pay scales) is now going to get SWA payscales. That is good for every Mainline, since that is one less LCC the managements can compare against.
Bye Bye---General Lee
So you can honestly say, you would NOT give up scope for a payraise? Gotta raise the BS flag on that. Every single person on here would sell out for a raise. The trick management plays is finding the magical raise amount to satify a majority.
BTW i think I should have the Burns avatar and you should have homer in this discussion!
Another thing you are missing, is that you don't always have to GIVE something in contract negotiations to GET something. Most legacies are still on BK type contracts, and managements know they will be giving a lot of stuff back, which is also called restoration.
Bye Bye---General Lee
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/19/news/companies/jeff_smisek_united_continental.fortune/index.htm
Have a glance at what the CEO of the worlds largest airline thinks...At least in public he's disagreeing that "they will be giving a lot of stuff back." Specifically read the paragraphs following the header "Video: Why Smisek Reads All his Emails."
So you can honestly say, you would NOT give up scope for a payraise? Gotta raise the BS flag on that. Every single person on here would sell out for a raise. The trick management plays is finding the magical raise amount to satify a majority.
BTW i think I should have the Burns avatar and you should have homer in this discussion!