Delta aggressive with it's regional partners

[Scope out RJ's]

Yea, that's gonna go over like a lead balloon in this economy. HaHa.

Good luck with that..

RF

What I don't understand is why a southwest pft tool is doing on yet another Delta thread.

 

[Varmint]

What I don't understand is why a southwest pft tool is doing on yet another Delta thread.

Maybe the same reason your on the regional board....or did Delta all of a sudden become a regional?

 

[silver02ex]

There is also a limit on how many 70 or 76 seaters they can have, and they are very close to the contractual limit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Doesn't the contract say that if mainline gets more planes regionals can too? There's no limits on that are they? Just curious about this.

 

[redflyer65]

Gen and OYS,

Your constant assertion that I'm worried about the SLI is lame. I'm confident that it will work out great. You guys sound like Scope constantly squaking about PFT. Completely irrelevant... you need another schtick...this one is really old.

The Delta profits, not so much.

Have a FANTASTIC day,

RF

 

[On Your Six]

Doesn't the contract say that if mainline gets more planes regionals can too? There's no limits on that are they? Just curious about this.

No, there is a limit on 70 or 76 seaters, even with new planes. That limit is very close, and everyone expected Delta to go to that preset limit.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Gen and OYS,

Your constant assertion that I'm worried about the SLI is lame. I'm confident that it will work out great. You guys sound like Scope constantly squaking about PFT. Completely irrelevant... you need another schtick...this one is really old.

The Delta profits, not so much.

Have a FANTASTIC day,

RF

Last year's profit at Delta was at least twice what Southwest made. And management here said this quarter there is already $700 million in free cash flow. I would say you are wrong.


OYS

 

[General Lee]

No, there is a limit on 70 or 76 seaters, even with new planes. That limit is very close, and everyone expected Delta to go to that preset limit.


OYS

That is correct.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I think you and your twin might be wrong. Don't have my contract in front of me but I think there is something in there about fleet size. IE if mainline exceeds a certain number than every mainline added allows 2-3 of the big rjs. Hope I am wrong.

That is correct.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[On Your Six]

I think you and your twin might be wrong. Don't have my contract in front of me but I think there is something in there about fleet size. IE if mainline exceeds a certain number than every mainline added allows 2-3 of the big rjs. Hope I am wrong.

Then they would have replaced every departing 50 seater with a new 70 or 76 seater. Instead, 12 were just allowed, 6 for Compass and 6 from Republic. They are almost at the limit, and that can't get exceeded unless DL got a huge amount of more planes. With DC9s leaving, 787s not coming, etc it will still be a long while, even with Md90s coming. Remember our growth within is based off of retirements of pilots, not planes.


OYS

 

[Varmint]

Then they would have replaced every departing 50 seater with a new 70 or 76 seater. Instead, 12 were just allowed, 6 for Compass and 6 from Republic. They are almost at the limit, and that can't get exceeded unless DL got a huge amount of more planes. With DC9s leaving, 787s not coming, etc it will still be a long while, even with Md90s coming. Remember our growth within is based off of retirements of pilots, not planes.
OYS

Hmmmm.....and how many MD-90's are coming? For a net gain of how many aircraft after retirement of the older aircraft (as if MD-90's are not already old). Multiply the result x3 and you have the additional net gain for the big RJ's. Even if you have a net gain of only 10 airframes at mainline, that is 30 more big RJ's. Not a drop in the bucket.

 

[dustrpilot]

Last year's profit at Delta was at least twice what Southwest made. And management here said this quarter there is already $700 million in free cash flow. I would say you are wrong.


OYS

Yes but it seems to be boom or bust whereas Southwest is always consistent.

 

[Buzo]

Hmmmm.....and how many MD-90's are coming? For a net gain of how many aircraft after retirement of the older aircraft (as if MD-90's are not already old). Multiply the result x3 and you have the additional net gain for the big RJ's. Even if you have a net gain of only 10 airframes at mainline, that is 30 more big RJ's. Not a drop in the bucket.

d. one of up to 120 jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats and certificated in
the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less
(“76-seat jets”). The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above 120 by three 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the baseline fleet operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) as of October 30, 2008. The baseline fleet number will be 440+N, in which N is the number of aircraft (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares but not including permitted aircraft types) added to the Company’s baseline fleet from NWA. The number and type of all aircraft in the Company’s fleet on October 30, 2008 will be provided to the Association. The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by Section 1 B. 40. may not exceed 255.

Exception: Up to the 36 EMB-175s that were operated and/or ordered by Northwest prior to October 30, 2008 may continue to be operated with up to a maximum gross takeoff weight of 89,000 pounds. e. once the number of permitted 76-seat jets is established, it will not be reduced. Exception one: If a pilot on the seniority list with an employment date prior to September 1, 2001 is placed on furlough, the Company will convert all 76-seat jets for operation as 70-seat jets.

The Oct 2008 number included all 747-200's and DC-9's. They would have to add a lot of mainline aircraft to increase the 76 seat allotment.