Delta adds two more cities, both NOT in West Texas

[General Lee]

Ch 11 must be awsome. I hope whatever carrier I go to goes through bankrupcy. I hear the SWA guys are in contract negotiations. Maybe they should ask the company for pay cuts and a trip through Ch 11. It's obvious path for a pilot's prosperity.

Congrats on your pay raise next summer (if you upgrade). Too bad you have to upgrade to make what you were making almost a decade ago. This is all conditional though. If you guys give up money again or let your mgt hose you on pay raises...then maybe you'll be working for even less next summer. I don't think I even need to remind you of a little thing called inflation.

Who says you are going to an airline? I don't think you would pass an interview with your current views. I know why you won't go to DL--the psych eval would knock you out quickly.

The thing is about BK is that not all are alike. USAir went BK twice, and what did they get besides a pay cut? They got a $4400 Xmas bonus last year. (according to a USAir captain I talked to) When I told him we got a lot more, he almost pooped his pants. It is all what you negotiate, and our guys did give away a lot in pay cuts, but also got us a piece of the pie. Was it fun having a judge watch this all and make sure we give away? No. But, we did not give up too many work rules, and we did get money for the claim and additional money for our dropped pensions, and a DC plan in our own names that cannot be taken from us.

Will I upgrade next Summer? I have a 9 month hold on current equipment, so after that I will bid that way. I enjoy the INTL stuff I am doing now, but am leaning towards that left seat. It is great having options when it comes to flying. Just like you deciding that you should be a career military man. Good choice Sarge.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

Psych eval...What are you talking about? You passed it. The results must have said..."Kool Aid Drinker...will follow all of mgt's talking points."

By the way, I'm not a Sarge...they have a Psych eval to become an NCO. There's no way I could have passed that. Don't worry about my mil career. I'm in till 20. I'm almost there.

 

[Wicked-Picket]

Most were given most of what they were owed. The PBGC was made "whole" by the claim sale, and the retired pilots also got an $800 million claim themselves. Some lost some healthcare benefits, but hey, we did go BK. I think most got more than they thought they were as we were going into BK. But, you knew all of that already.....? Lu---zer.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Lets get the record straight GL. In order to protect the claim money from a grab by the PBGC, ALPA made sure that they described the payout as compensation for the current contract. Clearly the loss of the pension was the biggest loss, but I understand what they were doing. NOW, you thieves got a brilliant idea. Lets have anyone who is not here for the full term of this contract forfeit their claim ! That way, we get more!
I left in March. My after sale claim amount was supposed to be $252,330.00. I was given $52,000.00. Thats it. Thats what I got when I left Delta. The PBGC pays me less than your vacation payout per year! So, you arrogant, ill informed, grits eating, cool aide drinker, if you think that equates to what I lost in my lump sum/annuity/survivorship benefits, you are far dumber than you appear in your posts, and that is saying something.
There are 178 former or soon to be former Delta Pilots in the same category. I intend to see that every swinging one of them sees your post so they know the level of ignorance among their "brothers".

 

[Wicked-Picket]

Retirees have their PBGC guarantee, they also have PC 5 recovery (splitting up a $2.2B claim), if they were already retired they also shared in an $800M cash settlement, if they weren't they got their portion of a $650M note cash payment. If they were already retired, they had the opportunity to take 50% of their retirement as a single lump sum pay out, often exceeding well over $1M in cash in addition to their PBGC payments, PC-5 redistribution, claim and cash settlement.

Holy Crap ! 1972 Date of hire. 2007 retirement. 52 thousand total from the 2.2 Bil claim. Where on earth do you guys get your information. No wonder the voting goes the way it does at Delta.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Lets get the record straight GL. In order to protect the claim money from a grab by the PBGC, ALPA made sure that they described the payout as compensation for the current contract. Clearly the loss of the pension was the biggest loss, but I understand what they were doing. NOW, you thieves got a brilliant idea. Lets have anyone who is not here for the full term of this contract forfeit their claim ! That way, we get more!
I left in March. My after sale claim amount was supposed to be $252,330.00. I was given $52,000.00. Thats it. Thats what I got when I left Delta. The PBGC pays me less than your vacation payout per year! So, you arrogant, ill informed, grits eating, cool aide drinker, if you think that equates to what I lost in my lump sum/annuity/survivorship benefits, you are far dumber than you appear in your posts, and that is saying something.
There are 178 former or soon to be former Delta Pilots in the same category. I intend to see that every swinging one of them sees your post so they know the level of ignorance among their "brothers".

Hey General....looks like this guy didn't quite enjoy his trip through Ch 11 as much as you did. He must be a fool, because after reading your posts I think it seems like good deal.

 

[FDJ2]

Holy Crap ! 1972 Date of hire. 2007 retirement. 52 thousand total from the 2.2 Bil claim. Where on earth do you guys get your information. No wonder the voting goes the way it does at Delta.

1972 DOH? At DAL? When did you retire? What was your Note payout? What is your estimated PC-5 recovery and PBGC payout? What are you getting from the $2.2B claim the PBGC had, not from DALPA's claim? You do know the difference don't you?

 

[snow-back]

In the meantime I am upgrading by next Summer most likely, and my pay will also be close to what it was prior to BK.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Your Captain's pay will be close to your pre-bankruptcy F/O pay? Yikes...Ch.11 really MUST suck.

 

[jke406]

Hey General....looks like this guy didn't quite enjoy his trip through Ch 11 as much as you did. He must be a fool, because after reading your posts I think it seems like good deal.

ok colonel, for the last time, get your silly @ss back into the regional forum. you clearly don't have the skills to run with the "big boys" and are reduced to cheap attacks on the guys you wish you were.

enjoy that KC-10, it's the last non-RJ airplane you'll ever fly.

 

[GCAP]

1972 DOH? At DAL? When did you retire? What was your Note payout? What is your estimated PC-5 recovery and PBGC payout? What are you getting from the $2.2B claim the PBGC had, not from DALPA's claim? You do know the difference don't you?

Im a '72 DOH. Ransome, PanAM, DL. Retired Feb '06. I got $0 lump sum,$0 note payout, $0 est pc5, $0 claim, $0 note, $0 non-qual, $11,800 med claim. All that you and the general believe to be true is not. I know wicked picket, I know his experience. He worked tirelessly for the pilots at PanAm and DL and got sh#t for it because too many were snowed by the thieving cowards that voted for LOA 51. I hope that someday you all can understand that the behavior of the GL's of the world is the real reason for the diminishing status of all airline pilots.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Im a '72 DOH. Ransome, PanAM, DL. Retired Feb '06. I got $0 lump sum,$0 note payout, $0 est pc5, $0 claim, $0 note, $0 non-qual, $11,800 med claim. All that you and the general believe to be true is not. I know wicked picket, I know his experience. He worked tirelessly for the pilots at PanAm and DL and got sh#t for it because too many were snowed by the thieving cowards that voted for LOA 51. I hope that someday you all can understand that the behavior of the GL's of the world is the real reason for the diminishing status of all airline pilots.

Ahhh General....another satisfied customer. Keep drinking that Kool Aid. Man, you are either just having fun on these forums and can't believe the garbage you put out, or you are a complete fool.

 

[Tanker Clown]

ok colonel, for the last time, get your silly @ss back into the regional forum. you clearly don't have the skills to run with the "big boys" and are reduced to cheap attacks on the guys you wish you were.

enjoy that KC-10, it's the last non-RJ airplane you'll ever fly.

I'd be fine with an RJ...Mrs. Clinton. Maybe you didn't love America to finish your 20, but I am going to finish mine. So that retirement will be quite sweet and a nice little RJ job will just be a little extra cash. I bet you regret not having Tricare now that you are with Delta. Tricare for life! Jealous?

 

[FDJ2]

Im a '72 DOH. Ransome, PanAM, DL. Retired Feb '06.

So you had a grand total of 14-15 years under the Delta pilot retirement plan? That's not much, maybe just what 26-28% FAE. Looks like you're covered or nearly covered by your MPPP and PBGC payout 100%. Congratulations.

I got $0 lump sum,

That's what I'll get too.

$0 note payout,

Of course not, you weren't on the Delta seniority list when the plan terminated. You had already retired and were eligible to your share of an $800M settlement, which active pilots are not. But given your extremely short tenure at DAL and therefore small accrual, I wouldn't expect much from that since you didn't earn much of a retirement to begin with from the Delta pilot retirement plan and therefore you lost very little from it. You're probably covered 100% by your MPPP and PGBC payments.

$0 est pc5,

See above.

$0 claim,

You have to actually work under LOA51 to have a claim under LOA 51.

$0 note,

Not qualified for a note payment, you weren't a DAL pilot when the pension was terminated.

$0 non-qual,

Me too.

$11,800 med claim.

I got none. Good for you on getting that.

All that you and the general believe to be true is not. I know wicked picket, I know his experience. He worked tirelessly for the pilots at PanAm and DL and got sh#t for it because too many were snowed by the thieving cowards that voted for LOA 51.

I recall quite a few PAA guys stepped all over each other to get on the DAL seniority list. There was a lawsuit over the dealings there at PAA as many stabbed each other in the back to come over to DAL.

 

[General Lee]

Ahhh General....another satisfied customer. Keep drinking that Kool Aid. Man, you are either just having fun on these forums and can't believe the garbage you put out, or you are a complete fool.

Oh, TANK you very much. Please read the above post. FDJ2 understands this better than most. You need to read it. And, I hear Colgan is hiring Beech 1900 FOs, and I bet you would be great at it. Go for it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

Ahhh General....another satisfied customer.

Don't hang your hat too much on guys who claim '72 DOH, (the number 1 pilot at DAL in 2006 had a DAL DOH of 1976), but actually have only been on the property for 15-16 years. Their short tenure under the Delta Pilot Retirement Plan is covered by the PBGC payments, their MPPP and their share of an $800M settlement and $2.2B claim held by the PBGC.

 

[General Lee]

I'd be fine with an RJ...Mrs. Clinton. Maybe you didn't love America to finish your 20, but I am going to finish mine. So that retirement will be quite sweet and a nice little RJ job will just be a little extra cash. I bet you regret not having Tricare now that you are with Delta. Tricare for life! Jealous?

Sure you'll finish your 20, and then probably have to do another 20 due to psych evals at the airlines working against you. Maybe then you actually will be a General, and I'll still call you SARGE.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

Sure you'll finish your 20, and then probably have to do another 20 due to psych evals at the airlines working against you. Maybe then you actually will be a General, and I'll still call you SARGE.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Maybe I will stay another 20. Someone has to pass that gas to keep the world free of evil doers.

If it weren't the military you wouldn't be free to give up those pay cuts and reach 10,000 posts.

 

[General Lee]

Your Captain's pay will be close to your pre-bankruptcy F/O pay? Yikes...Ch.11 really MUST suck.

Before BK I was making $180 an hour as an FO, in my 8th year, but we could only earn 75 hours a month due to the fact that we had furloughed pilots. I now make $115 or so, but can fly more and keep the pay. I also made $280,000 on my BK claim, and $66,000 on my pension dump. I think it made up for some of that loss.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[K-Mart]

Your Captain's pay will be close to your pre-bankruptcy F/O pay? Yikes...Ch.11 really MUST suck.

Wow. That really is a big step back.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Before BK I was making $180 an hour as an FO, in my 8th year, but we could only earn 75 hours a month due to the fact that we had furloughed pilots. I now make $115 or so, but can fly more and keep the pay. I also made $280,000 on my BK claim, and $66,000 on my pension dump. I think it made up for some of that loss.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Sweet! Lose over a third of the pay...but you can work harder to almost get back to that level. Sign me up for more pay cuts and pension dumps. And bring back Song!

 

[General Lee]

Maybe I will stay another 20. Someone has to pass that gas to keep the world free of evil doers.

If it weren't the military you wouldn't be free to give up those pay cuts and reach 10,000 posts.

And if it weren't for my Grandad, the French would be German....? Thanks for your service, regardless. I can volunteer for MAC charters that we do to Europe and onto the Middle East, so maybe I will contribute to the effort someday. No need to fill our 767ERs up, though. Stay away please.

So, will you respond to FDJ2? He had a great response for you, and I am eagerly awaiting your reply.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

And if it weren't for my Grandad, the French would be German....? Thanks for your service, regardless. I can volunteer for MAC charters that we do to Europe and onto the Middle East, so maybe I will contribute to the effort someday. No need to fill our 767ERs up, though. Stay away please.

So, will you respond to FDJ2? He had a great response for you, and I am eagerly awaiting your reply.

Bye Bye--General Lee

All I know is that you guys can't polish a turd.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. Which is a worse deal: Pay cuts or 25 minute turns (obviously with no pay cuts)?

 

[General Lee]

Sweet! Lose over a third of the pay...but you can work harder to almost get back to that level. Sign me up for more pay cuts and pension dumps. And bring back Song!

The great thing you continually neglect to bring up is that we were paid 3 times more than anyone else. We had 777 Captains making $315 an hour. Our 764 FOs were making $210 an hour, more than any Southwest Captain now makes. Our second year pay was well over $100 an hour. See, you love to make fun, and it did sting, but we are now back down to average or a bit above it, all thanks to BK. I am not happy about it, but that is what happens.

But, after getting large amounts of dough in exchange for the pay cuts (don't forget--$280,000 in one shot aint bad---it actually makes up for a lot---It is probably your salary times 3) and an additional $66,000 for that pension dump sure made it feel better. But, you can't see through the fog apparently. Time for a PAR.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

All I know is that you guys can't polish a turd.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. Which is a worse deal: Pay cuts or 25 minute turns (obviously with no pay cuts)?

25 minute turns. For some reason you can't add in there the actual money we all got in return for those pay cuts. Getting $280,000 all at once, and an additional $66,000 for the pension---how much of that can I add to each hour that I fly and not make it as bad? I don't want to do 6 legs a day in a 737 forever. Do you? You don't do that in a KC10. Let me guess? For the right pay you would do anything, right? Don't assume your Military pedigree will get you Southwest or Delta. You may get that RJ you so desire.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

PAR? Man...I haven't done a PAR since you said that possible pay cuts would keep you guys out of Ch 11.

I'm sure Southwest or Delta will hire me. Between the two of them, I'll get a job. Not to mention UPS/Fed Ex who's pay you can't even come close to. I can't help but think my career earnings would be higher with SWA though (vs Delta). Sorry man....as it stands right now, they got you guys. I'm willing to go with whoever hires me first, even if that means Delta.

Hey, maybe you'll be my captian.

 

[TAZ MAN]

Wow, thanks Professor. How's Ginger and Marryann? Can you try to teach me Calculus too?

I understand the concept just fine.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Ok Maryann,

Here is your quote

"
It was interesting to see that LUV posted a $165 million profit last quarter, with fuel hedges bringing in $183 million. Without good hedging, it looks like LUV would be around $20 million in the red. Am I right on this? Thank gawd you have hedging. Good job for that.

Bye Bye--General Lee
__________________

You are so smart.

Word

 

[General Lee]

Ok Maryann,

Here is your quote

"
It was interesting to see that LUV posted a $165 million profit last quarter, with fuel hedges bringing in $183 million. Without good hedging, it looks like LUV would be around $20 million in the red. Am I right on this? Thank gawd you have hedging. Good job for that.

Bye Bye--General Lee
__________________

You are so smart.

Word

Look at my quote again, I was asking a question. Can you read? "Am I right on this?" And boy, it caused you guys to get all in a huff. By the way, others were asking the same question, I was just the one who asked it. Thanks for clearing it up Mrs. Howell, and enjoy Sacramento.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

PAR? Man...I haven't done a PAR since you said that possible pay cuts would keep you guys out of Ch 11.

I'm sure Southwest or Delta will hire me. Between the two of them, I'll get a job. Not to mention UPS/Fed Ex who's pay you can't even come close to. I can't help but think my career earnings would be higher with SWA though (vs Delta). Sorry man....as it stands right now, they got you guys. I'm willing to go with whoever hires me first, even if that means Delta.

Hey, maybe you'll be my captian.

Man alive, that would be a blast. Whenever I do upgrade and get an FO who flew KC10s, I will make him do two full walk arounds each leg just to get it "right." Nah, I wouldn't do that. I will buy the 3rd and 5th beers. Also, I hope you do get Fedex and UPS, and we still USED TO pay better than both of them. Can we do that again? I don't know, but I think we will raise our current rates. And SWA does have us beat right now pay wise, but you can BET that our negotiators will compare their 737 Captain pay and our 777 and 764 Captain pay, and I have a feeling ours will go above their's. It just makes sense, and without a BK judge nearby, I think it will go. Look at AA, they are asking for a 53% raise. Everyone will be watching them first.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Dude, you are by far the biggest joke on this board. Most on here (besides buffoons like instructorclown) realize no one is impressed by how many 767's you have domiciled in ATL. Flying an airliner is not impressive ok????? I know that is extremely hard for you to digest so please do your best. The things that flying an airliner DO provide (on varying scales) are QOL, compensation, and customer/employee service. SWA is absolutely head and shoulders above DAL in all 3 of those categories - and many more for that matter. Flying an ILS into ELP or flying an ILS into Venice is still flying an ILS - it's absolute brain dead work. However, what is nice is the fact SWA compensates you 50 dollars more an hour for doing it and treats the customer and its employees 10 fold better as well.

Catch a clue dude. No one cares nor is impressed with you or DAL.

I disagree. I think you are by far the biggest joke on this site.

Are you still trying to get on with FEDEX with all your buds, or did they turn you down again. LOL

 

[jke406]

just when you thought a thread couldn't possibly get any more worthless, pocono boy shows up and sets the new standard for worthlessness. are you and tanker clown tag teaming?

 

[snow-back]

Before BK I was making $180 an hour as an FO, in my 8th year, but we could only earn 75 hours a month due to the fact that we had furloughed pilots. I now make $115 or so, but can fly more and keep the pay. I also made $280,000 on my BK claim, and $66,000 on my pension dump. I think it made up for some of that loss.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I maxed out at 172/hr on the 76 and I believe I was senior to you (02-27-97), plus the cap was typically near 80 hours. I rarely saw a 75 hour month. I thought the 12 year rate on the 767 is less than 110 now. That whole bit about making more by flying more is the same spiel they used to sugar coat the F/A's paycuts. It's not really a paycut because you can fly more and make it up...right. You made $280,000 on your BK claim?...really?...I've never heard that before.