Delta adds two more cities, both NOT in West Texas

[General Lee]

Ch 11 must be awsome. I hope whatever carrier I go to goes through bankrupcy. I hear the SWA guys are in contract negotiations. Maybe they should ask the company for pay cuts and a trip through Ch 11. It's obvious path for a pilot's prosperity.

Congrats on your pay raise next summer (if you upgrade). Too bad you have to upgrade to make what you were making almost a decade ago. This is all conditional though. If you guys give up money again or let your mgt hose you on pay raises...then maybe you'll be working for even less next summer. I don't think I even need to remind you of a little thing called inflation.

Who says you are going to an airline? I don't think you would pass an interview with your current views. I know why you won't go to DL--the psych eval would knock you out quickly.

The thing is about BK is that not all are alike. USAir went BK twice, and what did they get besides a pay cut? They got a $4400 Xmas bonus last year. (according to a USAir captain I talked to) When I told him we got a lot more, he almost pooped his pants. It is all what you negotiate, and our guys did give away a lot in pay cuts, but also got us a piece of the pie. Was it fun having a judge watch this all and make sure we give away? No. But, we did not give up too many work rules, and we did get money for the claim and additional money for our dropped pensions, and a DC plan in our own names that cannot be taken from us.

Will I upgrade next Summer? I have a 9 month hold on current equipment, so after that I will bid that way. I enjoy the INTL stuff I am doing now, but am leaning towards that left seat. It is great having options when it comes to flying. Just like you deciding that you should be a career military man. Good choice Sarge.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

Psych eval...What are you talking about? You passed it. The results must have said..."Kool Aid Drinker...will follow all of mgt's talking points."

By the way, I'm not a Sarge...they have a Psych eval to become an NCO. There's no way I could have passed that. Don't worry about my mil career. I'm in till 20. I'm almost there.

 

[Wicked-Picket]

Most were given most of what they were owed. The PBGC was made "whole" by the claim sale, and the retired pilots also got an $800 million claim themselves. Some lost some healthcare benefits, but hey, we did go BK. I think most got more than they thought they were as we were going into BK. But, you knew all of that already.....? Lu---zer.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Lets get the record straight GL. In order to protect the claim money from a grab by the PBGC, ALPA made sure that they described the payout as compensation for the current contract. Clearly the loss of the pension was the biggest loss, but I understand what they were doing. NOW, you thieves got a brilliant idea. Lets have anyone who is not here for the full term of this contract forfeit their claim ! That way, we get more!
I left in March. My after sale claim amount was supposed to be $252,330.00. I was given $52,000.00. Thats it. Thats what I got when I left Delta. The PBGC pays me less than your vacation payout per year! So, you arrogant, ill informed, grits eating, cool aide drinker, if you think that equates to what I lost in my lump sum/annuity/survivorship benefits, you are far dumber than you appear in your posts, and that is saying something.
There are 178 former or soon to be former Delta Pilots in the same category. I intend to see that every swinging one of them sees your post so they know the level of ignorance among their "brothers".

 

[Wicked-Picket]

Retirees have their PBGC guarantee, they also have PC 5 recovery (splitting up a $2.2B claim), if they were already retired they also shared in an $800M cash settlement, if they weren't they got their portion of a $650M note cash payment. If they were already retired, they had the opportunity to take 50% of their retirement as a single lump sum pay out, often exceeding well over $1M in cash in addition to their PBGC payments, PC-5 redistribution, claim and cash settlement.

Holy Crap ! 1972 Date of hire. 2007 retirement. 52 thousand total from the 2.2 Bil claim. Where on earth do you guys get your information. No wonder the voting goes the way it does at Delta.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Lets get the record straight GL. In order to protect the claim money from a grab by the PBGC, ALPA made sure that they described the payout as compensation for the current contract. Clearly the loss of the pension was the biggest loss, but I understand what they were doing. NOW, you thieves got a brilliant idea. Lets have anyone who is not here for the full term of this contract forfeit their claim ! That way, we get more!
I left in March. My after sale claim amount was supposed to be $252,330.00. I was given $52,000.00. Thats it. Thats what I got when I left Delta. The PBGC pays me less than your vacation payout per year! So, you arrogant, ill informed, grits eating, cool aide drinker, if you think that equates to what I lost in my lump sum/annuity/survivorship benefits, you are far dumber than you appear in your posts, and that is saying something.
There are 178 former or soon to be former Delta Pilots in the same category. I intend to see that every swinging one of them sees your post so they know the level of ignorance among their "brothers".

Hey General....looks like this guy didn't quite enjoy his trip through Ch 11 as much as you did. He must be a fool, because after reading your posts I think it seems like good deal.

 

[FDJ2]

Holy Crap ! 1972 Date of hire. 2007 retirement. 52 thousand total from the 2.2 Bil claim. Where on earth do you guys get your information. No wonder the voting goes the way it does at Delta.

1972 DOH? At DAL? When did you retire? What was your Note payout? What is your estimated PC-5 recovery and PBGC payout? What are you getting from the $2.2B claim the PBGC had, not from DALPA's claim? You do know the difference don't you?

 

[snow-back]

In the meantime I am upgrading by next Summer most likely, and my pay will also be close to what it was prior to BK.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Your Captain's pay will be close to your pre-bankruptcy F/O pay? Yikes...Ch.11 really MUST suck.

 

[jke406]

Hey General....looks like this guy didn't quite enjoy his trip through Ch 11 as much as you did. He must be a fool, because after reading your posts I think it seems like good deal.

ok colonel, for the last time, get your silly @ss back into the regional forum. you clearly don't have the skills to run with the "big boys" and are reduced to cheap attacks on the guys you wish you were.

enjoy that KC-10, it's the last non-RJ airplane you'll ever fly.

 

[GCAP]

1972 DOH? At DAL? When did you retire? What was your Note payout? What is your estimated PC-5 recovery and PBGC payout? What are you getting from the $2.2B claim the PBGC had, not from DALPA's claim? You do know the difference don't you?

Im a '72 DOH. Ransome, PanAM, DL. Retired Feb '06. I got $0 lump sum,$0 note payout, $0 est pc5, $0 claim, $0 note, $0 non-qual, $11,800 med claim. All that you and the general believe to be true is not. I know wicked picket, I know his experience. He worked tirelessly for the pilots at PanAm and DL and got sh#t for it because too many were snowed by the thieving cowards that voted for LOA 51. I hope that someday you all can understand that the behavior of the GL's of the world is the real reason for the diminishing status of all airline pilots.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Im a '72 DOH. Ransome, PanAM, DL. Retired Feb '06. I got $0 lump sum,$0 note payout, $0 est pc5, $0 claim, $0 note, $0 non-qual, $11,800 med claim. All that you and the general believe to be true is not. I know wicked picket, I know his experience. He worked tirelessly for the pilots at PanAm and DL and got sh#t for it because too many were snowed by the thieving cowards that voted for LOA 51. I hope that someday you all can understand that the behavior of the GL's of the world is the real reason for the diminishing status of all airline pilots.

Ahhh General....another satisfied customer. Keep drinking that Kool Aid. Man, you are either just having fun on these forums and can't believe the garbage you put out, or you are a complete fool.

 

[Tanker Clown]

ok colonel, for the last time, get your silly @ss back into the regional forum. you clearly don't have the skills to run with the "big boys" and are reduced to cheap attacks on the guys you wish you were.

enjoy that KC-10, it's the last non-RJ airplane you'll ever fly.

I'd be fine with an RJ...Mrs. Clinton. Maybe you didn't love America to finish your 20, but I am going to finish mine. So that retirement will be quite sweet and a nice little RJ job will just be a little extra cash. I bet you regret not having Tricare now that you are with Delta. Tricare for life! Jealous?

 

[FDJ2]

Im a '72 DOH. Ransome, PanAM, DL. Retired Feb '06.

So you had a grand total of 14-15 years under the Delta pilot retirement plan? That's not much, maybe just what 26-28% FAE. Looks like you're covered or nearly covered by your MPPP and PBGC payout 100%. Congratulations.

I got $0 lump sum,

That's what I'll get too.

$0 note payout,

Of course not, you weren't on the Delta seniority list when the plan terminated. You had already retired and were eligible to your share of an $800M settlement, which active pilots are not. But given your extremely short tenure at DAL and therefore small accrual, I wouldn't expect much from that since you didn't earn much of a retirement to begin with from the Delta pilot retirement plan and therefore you lost very little from it. You're probably covered 100% by your MPPP and PGBC payments.

$0 est pc5,

See above.

$0 claim,

You have to actually work under LOA51 to have a claim under LOA 51.

$0 note,

Not qualified for a note payment, you weren't a DAL pilot when the pension was terminated.

$0 non-qual,

Me too.

$11,800 med claim.

I got none. Good for you on getting that.

All that you and the general believe to be true is not. I know wicked picket, I know his experience. He worked tirelessly for the pilots at PanAm and DL and got sh#t for it because too many were snowed by the thieving cowards that voted for LOA 51.

I recall quite a few PAA guys stepped all over each other to get on the DAL seniority list. There was a lawsuit over the dealings there at PAA as many stabbed each other in the back to come over to DAL.

 

[General Lee]

Ahhh General....another satisfied customer. Keep drinking that Kool Aid. Man, you are either just having fun on these forums and can't believe the garbage you put out, or you are a complete fool.

Oh, TANK you very much. Please read the above post. FDJ2 understands this better than most. You need to read it. And, I hear Colgan is hiring Beech 1900 FOs, and I bet you would be great at it. Go for it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

Ahhh General....another satisfied customer.

Don't hang your hat too much on guys who claim '72 DOH, (the number 1 pilot at DAL in 2006 had a DAL DOH of 1976), but actually have only been on the property for 15-16 years. Their short tenure under the Delta Pilot Retirement Plan is covered by the PBGC payments, their MPPP and their share of an $800M settlement and $2.2B claim held by the PBGC.

 

[General Lee]

I'd be fine with an RJ...Mrs. Clinton. Maybe you didn't love America to finish your 20, but I am going to finish mine. So that retirement will be quite sweet and a nice little RJ job will just be a little extra cash. I bet you regret not having Tricare now that you are with Delta. Tricare for life! Jealous?

Sure you'll finish your 20, and then probably have to do another 20 due to psych evals at the airlines working against you. Maybe then you actually will be a General, and I'll still call you SARGE.

Bye Bye--General Lee