Delta adds two more cities, both NOT in West Texas

[DDpaysoff]

"We're on the deck, we have a salute and we need a windcheck."

 

[General Lee]

General,

Since you are unable to answer some basic questions in regards to hedges, please try not to share any opinions on the matter since you do not understand the purpose of them.

The answer to SWAdudes question, the results would be the same.

Profit or loss on the hedges results in roughly the same profit.

Wow, thanks Professor. How's Ginger and Marryann? Can you try to teach me Calculus too?

I understand the concept just fine. And, I can share ANY opinion I want, and you can try to refute it. I don't really care. Seriously, you need to understand the concept that you will be doing multiple leg days with 25 min turns for the rest of your life, most likely on one aircraft type. That sounds fun, NOT.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

"We're on the deck, we have a salute and we need a windcheck."

There he is, the mascot again. Quit dreaming about everyone else and actually do something with your life. Oh, and you have 6 legs tomorrow from BWI to Jackson, MS. Enjoy that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

Wow, thanks Professor. How's Ginger and Marryann? Can you try to teach me Calculus too?

I understand the concept just fine. And, I can share ANY opinion I want, and you can try to refute it. I don't really care. Seriously, you need to understand the concept that you will be doing multiple leg days with 25 min turns for the rest of your life, most likely on one aircraft type. That sounds fun, NOT.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Hey Ginital,

What's more fun, a 25 minute turn or a pay cut?

 

[Benhuntn]

You're a kid GL. I can imagine you are still easily impressed by bright lights too!

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Seriously, you need to understand the concept that you will be doing multiple leg days with 25 min turns for the rest of your life, most likely on one aircraft type.

General,

This is not news for any of us at SWA. Before we applied, we knew what it was like here. We knew about all the flying that SWA does and how it is done.

We still made the choice to apply at SWA and then made the choice to accept the offer of employment when it was made.

To this day....13 years later, I am doggone glad I left a "legacy" carrier to come here. It works for me....thats really all that matters

 

[Tanker Clown]

General,

This is not news for any of us at SWA. Before we applied, we knew what it was like here. We knew about all the flying that SWA does and how it is done.

We still made the choice to apply at SWA and then made the choice to accept the offer of employment when it was made.

To this day....13 years later, I am doggone glad I left a "legacy" carrier to come here. It works for me....thats really all that matters

GL has to realize that once he capitulated and gave up pay they lost all thier leverage. The 25 minute turn thing is quite old and tired. He has to save face. I'm sure he was quite rah rah about pay cuts. I can remember him saying how it was probably going to keep them out of Ch 11. Obviously he was wrong. I can't remember, but I'm sure he said Song was the new Air Tran. Now that it looks like their numbers were worked by mgt to keep them from getting a raise he has to rah rah that. So now he bags on you SWA guys for your 25 minute turns and fuel hedges.

Whatever. If I was one of you guys I'd just ask him if he'd like to compare paychecks.

 

[737 Pylt]

GL has to realize that once he capitulated and gave up pay they lost all thier leverage. The 25 minute turn thing is quite old and tired. He has to save face. I'm sure he was quite rah rah about pay cuts. I can remember him saying how it was probably going to keep them out of Ch 11. Obviously he was wrong. I can't remember, but I'm sure he said Song was the new Air Tran. Now that it looks like their numbers were worked by mgt to keep them from getting a raise he has to rah rah that. So now he bags on you SWA guys for your 25 minute turns and fuel hedges.

Whatever. If I was one of you guys I'd just ask him if he'd like to compare paychecks.

Tank:
This thread has gotten waaaaay out of hand!
I'm out!

737

 

[jke406]

Tank:
This thread has gotten waaaaay out of hand!
I'm out!

737

that's probably because Tanker Clown doesn't know his @ss from a hole in the ground. but he does fly a KC-10.

 

[Tanker Clown]

that's probably because Tanker Clown doesn't know his @ss from a hole in the ground. but he does fly a KC-10.

jke406, I like your avatar. It takes a lot of guts to use a picture of your wife.

Can I assume that you won't be writing me a LOR for Delta? Come on my man...you were a mil guy right? You'd hook up a brother.

 

[Spooky 2]

Most were given most of what they were owed. The PBGC was made "whole" by the claim sale, and the retired pilots also got an $800 million claim themselves. Some lost some healthcare benefits, but hey, we did go BK. I think most got more than they thought they were as we were going into BK. But, you knew all of that already.....? Lu---zer.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General.....You can't possibly believe what you have just posted? Nothing could be further from the truth!

 

[Tanker Clown]

Tank:
This thread has gotten waaaaay out of hand!
I'm out!

737

I figured the General...er...737 Pylt would want to avoid the question: Which is worse, the 25 minute turn or a pay cut?

Just kidding.

 

[General Lee]

Hey Ginital,

What's more fun, a 25 minute turn or a pay cut?

Hey Clown, you are slow, we all know, but you neglect to understand that I GOT $280,000 in the claim sale directly from BK. Of that $88,000 went to my 401Ks, and the rest was in cash which was taxed. I did very well, and the bottom guy who was furloughed the longest got over $200,000. In the meantime I am upgrading by next Summer most likely, and my pay will also be close to what it was prior to BK. One other thing, prior to BK we had a 75 hour cap on pay, even if you flew over it. (a bank system kept the over run of hours) Now we get paid what we fly. So, I really do make close to what I made.

But, you CAN'T HANDLE the TRUTH. Read above, again clowny.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General.....You can't possibly believe what you have just posted? Nothing could be further from the truth!

Here is what FDJ2 posted on the previous page:


"Retirees have their PBGC guarantee, they also have PC 5 recovery (splitting up a $2.2B claim), if they were already retired they also shared in an $800M cash settlement, if they weren't they got their portion of a $650M note cash payment. If they were already retired, they had the opportunity to take 50% of their retirement as a single lump sum pay out, often exceeding well over $1M in cash in addition to their PBGC payments, PC-5 redistribution, claim and cash setlement."


That is the truth. BK suks, and expecting the same services (healthcare etc) after a company goes BK is ridiculous. We all pay more, including the retirees. Sorry. A lot of them did make it out with a large lump sum, and most will get more than they originally thought thanks to the PBGC being made whole.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

Hey Clown, you are slow, we all know, but you neglect to understand that I GOT $280,000 in the claim sale directly from BK. Of that $88,000 went to my 401Ks, and the rest was in cash which was taxed. I did very well, and the bottom guy who was furloughed the longest got over $200,000. In the meantime I am upgrading by next Summer most likely, and my pay will also be close to what it was prior to BK. One other thing, prior to BK we had a 75 hour cap on pay, even if you flew over it. (a bank system kept the over run of hours) Now we get paid what we fly. So, I really do make close to what I made.

But, you CAN'T HANDLE the TRUTH. Read above, again clowny.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Ch 11 must be awsome. I hope whatever carrier I go to goes through bankrupcy. I hear the SWA guys are in contract negotiations. Maybe they should ask the company for pay cuts and a trip through Ch 11. It's obvious path for a pilot's prosperity.

Congrats on your pay raise next summer (if you upgrade). Too bad you have to upgrade to make what you were making almost a decade ago. This is all conditional though. If you guys give up money again or let your mgt hose you on pay raises...then maybe you'll be working for even less next summer. I don't think I even need to remind you of a little thing called inflation.