Delta 717's

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Not sure about the numbers on Compass/Mesaba flow ups, but the Pinnacle guys only have a guaranteed interview, no promise of a job. Beyond that, the contractual restriction is 35% of each new hire class has to come from an ALPA represented DCI carrier. You can read the actual contract language below, but the language is pretty loose with enough caveats and loopholes to make it effectively meaningless. My opinion, we will probably exceed 35% anyway, just based on who will be available and qualified whenever hiring starts.

Here's the contract language.

The Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve-month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots. Airmen who flow up

pursuant to LOA #9 and LOA #10 count toward satisfaction of such minimum percentage.

" subject to the company's objectives for diversity ( translation: non white males and females) and experience"

 

[scoreboardII]

I thought you couldn't base hiring on the grounds of race?

 

[Ty Webb]

It sucked that you didn't OWN them. My God, an entire fleet that is leased. That would have been my first clue that things aren't always as they appear.

Yes . . . How terrible! We went from 30 or so crappy, -300 style airplanes in 2000, to a fleet of over 135 fuel-efficient, new or newer airplanes in 2010, most of which were leased, while we quadrupled our cash position, and paid off debt.

What a house of cards! We're so lucky you bought us, and saved us from our profitable self.

 

[redflyer65]

Yes . . . How terrible! We went from 30 or so crappy, -300 style airplanes in 2000, to a fleet of over 135 fuel-efficient, new or newer airplanes in 2010, most of which were leased, while we quadrupled our cash position, and paid off debt.

What a house of cards! We're so lucky you bought us, and saved us from our profitable self.

Minimally profitable while owning nothing, yea that's going to work out well.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

DAL and 717s
Hertz and Yugos
Pure genius on getting the "Lease with option to buy" though!

 

[ATLplt]

DAL and 717s
Hertz and Yugos
Pure genius on getting the "Lease with option to buy" though!

Yugos? You've obviously never flown one of these. The DAL guys are gonna enjoy the sh!t out of them like we have. Too bad DAL didn't keep the all glass panel on their 90's.

 

[waveflyer]

Agree w/ ATL- it's a nice plane- nicer than a -700

 

[FIREMAN]

Yugos? You've obviously never flown one of these. The DAL guys are gonna enjoy the sh!t out of them like we have. Too bad DAL didn't keep the all glass panel on their 90's.

They have plans to go all glass.

 

[nwaf16dude]

Yugos? You've obviously never flown one of these. The DAL guys are gonna enjoy the sh!t out of them like we have. Too bad DAL didn't keep the all glass panel on their 90's.

The DAL board just signed off on a plan to put dual-fms, GPS, and flat panel glass in all the 88/90s. Supposed to start upgrading next year. Apparently the 717 will still be a separate category.

As far as I know, the Saudi MD-90s were the only ones built with a full glass cockpit. Delta is not buying those. (So far, anyway)

 

[captain caveman]

I'm looking forward to leaving the 88 and going to the 717. It's going to feel like a brand new airplane and I might even be more senior. I'm betting that after several come on line that the flying will look very different than the dc9.

 

[General Lee]

I'm looking forward to leaving the 88 and going to the 717. It's going to feel like a brand new airplane and I might even be more senior. I'm betting that after several come on line that the flying will look very different than the dc9.

I think it will be somewhat limited by range, but it should pick up current routes between large cities that are currently served mainly by CR9s and E170s, like DTW to IAH, DFW, and BDL. The CR9s and E170s will then fill in for departing 50 seaters. Recapturing old mainline routes, and upguaging to larger, more comfortable planes, that pay better. Have fun on it, I think it will have an EFB also.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[vixin]

Minimally profitable while owning nothing, yea that's going to work out well.

With oil below $80 pbl and at RJ wages. Oil above that and higher wages not so much. They also had one of the highest debt to equity ratios, but dont tell a FAT this. It was great at the tranny. They were growing, kicking butt and taking over the world. I have posted numerous times the financial troubles they were having but the FATS here just dont want to come down to reality. Afterall, they had 50 airplanes on order. We all know orders are for sure deliveries.

 

[Ty Webb]

With oil below $80 pbl and at RJ wages. Oil above that and higher wages not so much. They also had one of the highest debt to equity ratios, but dont tell a FAT this. It was great at the tranny. They were growing, kicking butt and taking over the world. I have posted numerous times the financial troubles they were having but the FATS here just dont want to come down to reality. Afterall, they had 50 airplanes on order. We all know orders are for sure deliveries.

When I was hired at AirTran, we had 620 pilots. We tripled in size in ten years, and were profitable through all but the very worst quarters, during what was probably the toughest time in the history of the Airlines.

There are a lot of reasons SWA bought us, and most of them are lost on you. You're not looking for a debate, you are looking for justification, which is why I rarely read anything you post.

 

[ASADFW7]

Are we at this again? Man it is over.

 

[waveflyer]

Are we at this again? Man it is over.

This^^^^

Vixin, are you an unbiased source of financial information? Are you going to convince anybody of anything? Are you going to change anything? Rework the SLI more to our favor?


Since none of that will happen, what are you doing now then except doing your little part to poison our own well- get the f^ck over it everybody and shut up