Delta 5 day domestic trips

[Abernathy]

So on a recent DH, talked to a DL narrowbody domestic FO who was doing a 5 day trip.

How common is this?

 

[titans10]

Probably on the dc-9 or maybe the baby bus. That is a left over NWA thing.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Our bid packets break this info down by category:

Percentage of 5 day trips in domestic categories are all 0 except ...

ATL 320 = 11
ATL DC9 = 32
DTW 320 = 32
DTW DC9 = 26
MSP 320 = 21
MSP DC9 = 32
NYC 320 = 5
SLC 320 = 30

Something about the 9 and baby bus.

 

[Abernathy]

Our bid packets break this info down by category:

Percentage of 5 day trips in domestic categories are all 0 except ...

ATL 320 = 11
ATL DC9 = 32
DTW 320 = 32
DTW DC9 = 26
MSP 320 = 21
MSP DC9 = 32
NYC 320 = 5
SLC 320 = 30

Something about the 9 and baby bus.

This getting changed in your new contract? Just curoius really..

 

[GogglesPisano]

This getting changed in your new contract? Just curoius really..

I don't have any reason to think it would. If it's a five day worth 29.5 hrs it sounds like a good deal. The trips that go junior are the 10-11 hr 2-days, which will be going away.

We 744/330 trips that are 11 days.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

There are plenty of five day trips. I do not see that going away. I would see it increasing and maybe six day domestic trips under the new FT/DT.

I have flown a ton of 5,6,8,9,11,12,14 day trips. The longer the trip is, the harder it is for them to fly you as much as the trip rig will pay you.

 

[acaTerry]

Now when you guys say "trip" does that include trips with domicile overnights? For example: ATL based guy, 5 day trip, day 3 overnight is in ATL.

 

[redflyer65]

Ouch. 5 days?

 

[Noserider76]

Ouch. 5 days?

People that commute seem to love them.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

There are no domicile layovers that are prebuilt in to the rotations. There are NYC pilots that start out of LGA but overnight in JFK. Contractually you have to start and end at the same airport, so these trips are good for the commuters since they get a hotel room.

Other than that no domicile layos

On the WB you will see DTW 330 crews DH to JFK then fly two turns to Europe. 7ER crews fly to Europe then fly to CVG, MEM etc then back to Europe then back to CVG MEM, PIT, BOS etc then back to Europe. We also see six crossings back and forth to NRT from cities like SFO, PDX etc. 12 day intra Asia trips with a crossing on the front and back end.

There are tons of different combinations.

 

[PCL_128]

Ouch. 5 days?

That's what I said, but the former NWA guys seem to love them. I was jumpseating with an MD-90 crew recently who were former NWA, and they were talking about how they missed the 5-day trips on the Airbus. Seemed weird to me, but everyone thinks I'm crazy for flying CDOs, so I don't judge.

 

[TNPILOT]

I did a few 5 days on the 9 and on the bus while on reserve and frankly I don't see the appeal. In my experience they weren't commutable on either end so what's the point? Granted I was on reserve so I probably wasn't seeing a good representation of a "good" 5 day. But an uncommutable 5 day? Really?

 

[nwaf16dude]

NWA guys used to love 5 day trips because so many guys were commuters, but the trips were built differently and generally more appealing than they are now. NWA used to build them with late reports and single legs on the first day, a busy three days, then a quick one leg last day done in plenty of time to commute. You could get a full month with two 5's and a 3 or 4 and be done. We also didn't see a lot of 5 leg days. It was usually just 3, with the occasional 5. (I'm talking about the DC-9 in DTW back before 9/11). The ATL DC-9 bid pack right now is freakin' scary, with many 5 and 6 leg days. I guess the 717 will be about the same when it shows up.

 

[goahead]

Really 29hr 5 day.......we have a ton of 28.5 4 days at ASA seems like a waste of time to me.

 

[nwaf16dude]

Really 29hr 5 day.......we have a ton of 28.5 4 days at ASA seems like a waste of time to me.

It was mainly a commuter thing. I'd rather have a commutable 28 hour 5 day than a non commutable 29 hour 4 day that costs me two hotel rooms.

 

[xray678]

No five day trips!! Four days is too long. Three days are perfect.

 

[trip]

Guess I won't complain about my late show early release 3&4 days.

 

[NWA-AirGuard]

On the 727 in DTW the 5 days were great for commuters and about 80% commuted.

 

[labbats]

I think the post about the trip rigs hit the nail on the head.

 

[SLUF4]

The best 5 days are the ones with a redeye on day 3!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I'll pass thanks......

Leftover Redtail stuff that didn't carry well into the bankruptcy trip rigs......I couldnt stand 4 day domestics so I ran to International.

 

[Linedriver]

Word is that scheduling likes the 5-days so they can get OE done in one rotation. I don't like the 5-days and don't see why the pilots should suffer to accomodate scheduling. I can't get away from them - I bid to avoid them and have 3 5-day trips this month.

 

[Whataburger]

Yuck!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Its such crap that all they rely on is Carmen to build schedules and ALPA just defends it.....

 

[tomgoodman]

One trip per month

For a while after the Pan Am merger, we had 11-day 727 trips out of Frankfurt, with a DH on both ends. It went very senior, and if you got a green slip .... ChaChing! imp:

 

[SLUF4]

Which base does the NRT intra-asia ER flying and how long are those trips? I'm guessing Seattle.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Which base does the NRT intra-asia ER flying and how long are those trips? I'm guessing Seattle.

It's usually spread out among all the 7ER categories. Sometimes NYC. Sometimes ATL ...

 

[Andy]

It was mainly a commuter thing. I'd rather have a commutable 28 hour 5 day than a non commutable 29 hour 4 day that costs me two hotel rooms.

^ My thoughts also.

I just finished a 6 day reserve stretch. Picked up a commutable 4 day at the beginning, got a hotel for the 4th night, flew the 5th day, and had to get another hotel for the 5th night. I still only got ~24 hours' credit time.
I've never seen a 4 day in open time for more than 25 hours.

 

[Buzo]

When I was on the 320, all I ever bid were 5 day commutable trips. I went 5 months as a line holder without buying a hotel. As a commuter I loved them.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Its such crap that all they rely on is Carmen to build schedules and ALPA just defends it.....

Bill,
We wanted 6 hrs per calendar day, Carmen could only to 4+30. That's what is in the TA you voted for. Funny thing is the average pilot credits 5+17 a day.

You bash ALPA but then sing praises of the TA over on another board.