Declining Glories: The Airline Career

[Phaedrus]

Probably still wearing bellbottoms, brute 44 is his choice of colognes and he has a lava lamp in his pad so the ladies think is a one groovy guy.

You're confusing him with Ty Webb!

 

[Hpilot]

Green and Andy hit it spot on. If there aren't any serious reversals in pay I don't see myself staying in this profession. Just because I enjoy my job doesn't mean I should be getting paid a sh!t salary. My friend who's an orthopedic enjoys his job and doesn't feel guilty about $500,000 a year. I'm not saying we should be making that much, but $100,000 a year just means your wife's going to be working too.

 

[Draginass]

The CEO of Home Depot just got fired for doing a bad job . . . and he got $200 million dollars severance. Corporate greed has run amock in this United States, aided by their friends in the Democratic and Republican Parties. Just look at the huge payouts that the elite managers at American Airlines are opening their bank personal vaults wide to receive.

 

[800Dog]

Green and Andy hit it spot on. If there aren't any serious reversals in pay I don't see myself staying in this profession. Just because I enjoy my job doesn't mean I should be getting paid a sh!t salary. My friend who's an orthopedic enjoys his job and doesn't feel guilty about $500,000 a year. I'm not saying we should be making that much, but $100,000 a year just means your wife's going to be working too.

Pilotyip and others will tell you Doctors do not make much these days. They are wrong. Some primary care physicians make under 100k but others are making big money. My cousin is an ER Doctor and makes sick money. He deserves it. My Father runs a hospital and just signed two Doctors at 500k a year plus a 500k signing bonus. We need to reverse the slide or we will find ourselves in the lower middle class. We seem to be our own worst enemy. I wish the LUV folks and all other pilots the best. Pay raises, increases in benefits etc. Problem is many seem to enjoy others taking paycuts.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Good doctors are in high demand, low paid pilots are in high demand. Pilots looking for higher pay is in high supply. I don't see doctors relaxing their professional standards to get increase the supply. They just demand higher pay to attract better applicants. If medical insurance didn't exist, doctors would make 50K a year probably. Take a look at doctor's around Detroit and you will see their pay sliding because the automotive companies aren't paying insurance premiums anymore.

 

[GogglesPisano]

The free market at work. Unions are losing their power.


Solution: Burn all the flight schools.

 

[Cardinal]

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The Great Lakes Captain's hat, long a symbol of the glories of the airline pilot career.

 

[800Dog]

The free market at work. Unions are losing their power.


Solution: Burn all the flight schools.

Or find a way to create more tornados!

 

[dudemize]

As long as CAL has 10,000 apps or whatever on file (1 of them is mine) I don't see how there can be any upward wage pressure, too much supply. Obviously the wages haven't gotten low enough to where nobody will apply. Until that happens management has no reason to increase wages. As we all know the airline managers could care less about whether your wife has to work or not.

A union can not override the laws of economics. I wish they could!

 

[800Dog]

As long as CAL has 10,000 apps or whatever on file (1 of them is mine) I don't see how there can be any upward wage pressure, too much supply. Obviously the wages haven't gotten low enough to where nobody will apply. Until that happens management has no reason to increase wages. As we all know the airline managers could care less about whether your wife has to work or not.

A union can not override the laws of economics. I wish they could!

CAL pilots could put upward pressure on wages by threatening and following through with a strike when the contract is opened for negotiations. Comair did it in 2001 when there were plenty of people willing to come aboard at low wages. Unity and resolve can turn the tide.

 

[ironspud]

Good grief!! What a bunch of whiners.

 

[warbirdfinder]

luckytohaveajob wrote:

The problems of this industry can be fixed. Keep age 60. Retire the whores in the next five years while the companies rebuild their balance sheets and profitability and then as a unified group with a purpose retake what was lost.

My God, you have been keeping the secret of running a successful airline from airline management all these years!!! You should be ashamed of yourself. But I guess while you were getting your triple doctorate in business management there wasn't enough time to call the airlines and let them know.
I am truly amazed that the airlines didn't discover your secret sometime in the last 80 years of airline operation.

 

[shroomwell]

I am sick of hearing about economics. The argument has very little basis as long as the Railway Labor Act exists, and government regulation exists. There is a small amount of economic forces at work, but do not lose sight of the other issues.

Do you really think we would be paid the same if management couldn't keep us tied up in negotiations for years on end, and then when we want to strike the President simply says we can't. Take those out of the equation and tell me how much you think we would be paid. That my friends would be a free market at work.

 

[Hpilot]

It's not just doctors. Neighbor next door-sales rep. for prefab/construction company $130,000 a year, across the street HR manager $110,000. Then there's the friend that got Ds through college and does accounting for a land mngt company $100,000. Friend that is an orthopedic sales rep. $200,000. Sister in-law 29 yrs old and senior accountant $200,000.

 

[pilotyip]

BTW I have never said Doc's are low pay, or pilots are high pay, if you want to be rich you should propably not become a pilot. I you like flyingairplanes, you can make a decent income doing something you like.