Deadly Express, Miami Herald story about frieght dogs

[ratherbeflyen]

Interesting read.

http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miami/news/archive/deadlyexpress/index.html

 

[MD11Drvr]

On this forum this is more than likely preaching to the choir. Most of us here "been there done that and still have the greasy shirt hanging in the closet to prove it." Its a good read but I wonder if there will be any improvements to the industry. Thier (FAA) answer will be to go after the pliots while ignoring the companies questionable practices.

 

[TrafficInSight]

"more fatal crashes than government records reflect."

huh?

 

[T-REX]

"more fatal crashes than government records reflect."

huh?

Ask the writer. I'm sure he can overnight you the records.

 

[T-REX]

http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miami/news/archive/deadlyexpress/partone/p28.html

Awesome and nine more months of this to come!

 

[Cardinal]

Poignant, one of those stories was from my little home airport, and I remember the saga of the badly burned pilot lingering for 6 days prior to his death was pretty horrifying to this aspiring aviator.

 

[The_Russian]

I have really been reading into this report. (I have a nice sit at KFLL ) I have noticed that these folks really don't know how to read an NTSB report.

Findings
1. (C) AIRCRAFT WEIGHT AND BALANCE - INADEQUATE
2. (C) IMPROPER USE OF PROCEDURE - OTHER PERSON
3. (C) INADEQUATE SURVEILLANCE OF OPERATION - COMPANY/OPERATOR MGMT
4. (C) INADEQUATE SURVEILLANCE OF OPERATION - FAA(ORGANIZATION)
5. (C) TRIM SETTING - IMPROPER
6. (C) AIRCRAFT CONTROL - NOT POSSIBLE - PILOT IN COMMAND
7. (C) AIRSPEED - NOT MAINTAINED
8. STALL
----------
Occurrence #2: IN FLIGHT COLLISION WITH TERRAIN/WATER

They think that just because this (PIC control notation) is in here that the FAA and NTSB is blaming the pilots. While the truth is that the FAA is blaming themselves and Fine Air for the resultant crash.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows.
The airplane being misloaded to produce a more aft center of gravity and a correspondingly incorrect stabilizer trim setting that
precipitated an extreme pitch-up at rotation, was (1) the failure of Fine Air to exercise operational control over the cargo loading
process; and (2) the failure of Aeromar to load the airplane as specified by Fine Air. Contributing to the accident was the failure of
the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to adequately monitor Fine Air's operational control responsibilities for cargo loading and the
failure of the FAA to ensure that known cargo-related deficiencies were corrected at Fine Air.

In the case of the Tex Star crash, I would say it WAS the pilots fault. His inability to fly partial panel as he was trained to was the reason the plane had crashed. Whether or not the NTSB report that leads us to this conclusion is entirely correct or not, sadly, will never be known. To me it sounds as if the widows are on a witch hunt.

We have to remember that aviation is inherently dangerous. And, the risks are voluntary.

 

[dseagrav]

Terror Terror Terror, Scare Scare Scare!

 

[CherryBomb]

I have really been reading into this report. (I have a nice sit at KFLL ) I have noticed that these folks really don't know how to read an NTSB report.


They think that just because this (PIC control notation) is in here that the FAA and NTSB is blaming the pilots. While the truth is that the FAA is blaming themselves and Fine Air for the resultant crash.

In the case of the Tex Star crash, I would say it WAS the pilots fault. His inability to fly partial panel as he was trained to was the reason the plane had crashed. Whether or not the NTSB report that leads us to this conclusion is entirely correct or not, sadly, will never be known. To me it sounds as if the widows are on a witch hunt.

We have to remember that aviation is inherently dangerous. And, the risks are voluntary.

Dont forget about the other Tex Star crash where the wing separated at 8000 feet. They guy keyed the mic screaming all the way down...

My self and the original poster have flown for these companies. Really kinda scary some of the things you see.


But I do agree with you Russian, most crashes are a result of pilot error.

 

[millhouse21]

You know, I don't doubt that when these reports blame the pilots they are technically correct. However, in the same way that fatigue related accidents also correctly blame the pilots, they are missing something. If you have a group of pilots that have a MUCH higher accident rate doing this type of flying than the same pilots have when they move on to the airlines, there is something wrong with the system. A better question to ask would be "why are these pilots flying broken airplanes or in bad conditions that lead to an accident?" I think that's what this article is getting at.

 

[A Squared]

"more fatal crashes than government records reflect."

huh?

Ask the writer. I'm sure he can overnight you the records.

It was explained in the article. Apparently, some obscure report listed a number of fatal cargo crashes, and the reporter dug up something like 12 more which were listed as part 91 repositioning flights. THe point being that there were more fatal crashes in cargo operations if you consider crashes during revenus legs and repo legs ... a minor, but legitimate point.

 

[T-REX]

Originally Posted by T-REX
Ask the writer. I'm sure he can overnight you the records.

It was explained in the article. Apparently, some obscure report listed a number of fatal cargo crashes, and the reporter dug up something like 12 more which were listed as part 91 repositioning flights. THe point being that there were more fatal crashes in cargo operations if you consider crashes during revenus legs and repo legs ... a minor, but legitimate point.

Yea, I understand. I was just trying to show writer prints some garbage like this:

"I'm not sure why we need to wait until one crashes in the middle of Disneyland before people are going to take notice of the fact that these planes are going down."
Lara Goldman Lennon

Then doesn't hesitate to FedEx a letter cross-country.

 

[skygirl1968]

Wow...I just read the entire piece. I'm probably waaaay to close to this to venture an opinion, but it was really interesting reading and I actually learned a few things that I didn't know prior to reading it. Good article.

 

[Trogdor]

On this forum this is more than likely preaching to the choir. Most of us here "been there done that and still have the greasy shirt hanging in the closet to prove it."

Unfortunately I don't think this is true. Most people coming up though the industry instruct for 6 months and then cry "where's my jet job? when's it gonna be my turn?" There are few of us out there who value the experience gained flying boxes in a Baron.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Most people coming up though the industry instruct for 6 months and then cry "where's my jet job? when's it gonna be my turn?" There are few of us out there who value the experience gained flying boxes in a Baron.

I agree. I had the time I could have easily skipped flying Barons all night, but it was an experience I didn't want to miss out on. I learned a lot from doing it and have no regrets about flying freight. Besides airlines didn't refuse me interviews because I waited an extra 9 months and 800 hours to apply there.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

most crashes are a result of pilot error.

Wing seperates from plane.
Pilot failed to compensate for loss of wing.

CE

 

[redd]

There's a pilot, named Shima, that's profiled in the second part on pages 1 and 6 that people on this board knew. It's sad that the longer you hang around aviation and the more pilots you know, the more you're aware of how fragile life is sometimes.

I hope everyone remembers to tell the important people in their lives, and their loved ones what they mean to you before it's too late.