DC-9 Pay?

[DTW320]

1990 NWA 12 Year 747 Captain... Approx. $185,000/annually

2006 NWA 12 Year 747 Captain... Approx. $141,000/annually

Only a $44,000 decrease you say?

Well, "you do the math" concerning COL / Inflation / Buying Power.

It ain't a "linear" type thing...


YKW

P.S.- Compare the upward progression of Airline Management Salaries over the same period...And while you're at it, Plumbers, Lawyers, Brick Layers, Janitors, CPA's, and Minimum Wage Workers.

No one...NO ONE, is a collectively more "Dumb-Ass" group than those involved in our so-called "Proud Profession".

Not disputing your overall point but your figures are a bit off for 2006 NWA 747CA pay.

The new rate, including International Override (there is no domestic 747 flying), is $173.27/hour for the 747-200 and $181.86 for the 747-400.

80 hours/month = approx. $166,000/year for the -200 and $175,000/year for the -400.

 

[pilotyip]

This is still a great career, too many negative vibes. The good ole days are never coming back; they were an abrogation of unique times. BTW USA Jet DC-9 Capt pay $174/hr.

 

[FCPhotography]

What does a 12 year Southwest CA make? Not including profit sharing.

(vs. NWA 747)


I heard but don't want to believe it.

 

[PCL_128]

What does a 12 year Southwest CA make? Not including profit sharing.

(vs. NWA 747)


I heard but don't want to believe it.

12 yr SWA CA - $190/hr

Many Captains at SWA top well above $200k/yr to fly a 737.

 

[Whine Lover]

DTW320,

I just used the straight pay rate of 168.00/hr for the -200 and your guarantee of 68 hours/mo adjusted to 70 hrs. because you have a "flex" month system...approx. $141,000 per year annual guarantee/salary.

I couldn't remember if the -400 was even around in 1990 (?) so I just used the -200 to keep apples to apples.

You are correct, I did not include overrides or the fact that line values are probably more than 68-70 hours on average.

However, the sad fact remains:

If you flew a 747-200 for NWA in the early nineties you were making a lot more money ( all things considered) than you would be today.

And, it's not just NWA that's hosed here...we all are.

SAD.

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Doh! Just answered my own question:

"Boeing delivered the first 747-400 in 1989 to Northwest Airlines."

 

[chris69]

According to the SWAPA NP for May 2006, using the averages:
Work Days: 13.53
Duty Day length: 8.68 hrs
Block hrs per day: 6.15
Block hrs per hard line: 83.21
TFP/work day: 7.3
TFP/duty hr: .84
TFP/block hr: 1.19
Block hrs/duty day: .707

Monthly avg pay for May using TFP x TFP/block hr x Block hrs

5 yr FO @ $100.28 x 1.19 = $119.33 x 83.21 = $9,929.71
12 yr CPT @ $167.02 x 1.19 = $198.75 x 83.21 = $16,538.30

 

[PropsR4Boats]

OLD vs. NEW

This is something I put together and the reason I wanted to know the past rates. Enjoy. Thanks for the input everyone!

A comparison…

The old (first) regional jet vs. the new daring of the fleet regional jet

The Douglas Aircraft Company (now Boeing) DC-9 (series 30) and the Embraer E-190, in a side by side comparison.
____________________DC-9______________E-190
First year of operation:__1967______________2006
Basic operating weight:_56,855 lb._________61,906 lb.
Max takeoff weight:___110,000 lb.________105,358 lb.
Max Fuel Load:________24,650 lb._________28,377 lb.
Max Payload:__________30,145 lb._________28,043 lb.
Engine Thrust:_________15,000 lb._________18,500 lb.
Length:________________119 ft._____________119 ft
Passengers:_____________100_______________100
Approximant current salaries.
(Northwest DC9 “NEW SCALES” / JetBlue E190)

Captain___DC-9_______E-190
Max:____$124,000____$89,000
10 yr.:__$122,000____$85,000
5 yr.:___$117,000____$77,000
First Officer
Max:_____$84,000____$53,000
10 yr.:____$82,000___$51,000
5 yr.:_____$73,000____$46,000
2 yr.:_____$57,000____$40,000

Past Pay: ???

 

[iaflyer]

This is still a great career, too many negative vibes. The good ole days are never coming back; they were an abrogation of unique times. BTW USA Jet DC-9 Capt pay $174/hr.

Yeah, the rate is high, but the guarantee is low - it used to be 40 hours - what's it now? Of course, when you broke guarantee, the dollars rolled in...

 

[pilotyip]

45 hours

45 hours, the hourly rate is used a biat to get pilots to sell their days off. It must work; a few pilots got checks of over $20K for a months work last fall. Not bad for being gone from home an average of 6 days per month.

 

[Sunnfun]

Yeah, the rate is high, but the guarantee is low - it used to be 40 hours - what's it now? Of course, when you broke guarantee, the dollars rolled in...

Plus there's only like two -9 captains who actually make that hourly rate out of about 90 pilots at USA Jet. And the few golden boys who do "pull in 20K a month" do that by selling almost ALL of their days off and have no life. One captain spent all of last years christmas/new years at the fairfield in LRD in order to get as many days sold as possible.

So, you either are gone a few days a month OR you draw a fat check about three months out of a year. You can't have both. Especially not as an F/O, and you will be an F/O on the -9 for a VERY long time.