DayJet and Eclipse

[DAS at 10/250]

So, what does everybody think? Jet jobs for everybody or a Titanic in the making. DayJet has firm orders with non-refundable deposits for 239 jets and options for an additional 70. Four jets are flying and I think I read that a fifth is on the way. Eclipse is planning on 1000 test hours which is well beyond the 200 required.

DayJet is accepting applications.

http://www.eclipseaviation.com/

http://www.dayjet.com/

DAS

 

[Publishers]

Well first of all you are talking late next year for the start up. This will be a no frills operation with the pilot home every night. It is interesting from the standpoint that he is taking a mathmatical approach and working the tech angle as that is his background.

 

[Hawker700]

I may seem cynical but, did you ever think he may have bought all those "positions" to resell? The price has already risen to 1.4 million. Seems to me that he's already made a significant return on his investment.

My 2 cents worth

 

[Publishers]

I have met and talked with at length to the Chairman of Dayjet and the amount of money that he is spending on the technical side outweighs the money he could make on the aircraft.

Look at the situation that they are trying to solve:

You only need 2 people to want to leave city like Miami to go to Tampa at between 7 and 9 in the morning. You need 2 people who want to go from Tampa to Jacksonville between 8 and 10 and you need 2 people who want to go from Jacksonville to Atlanta, etc back to Florida. Keeping track of that is the problem but with numbers needed to break even, you do not need much of a market.

 

[Hawker700]

I wish him luck.....time will tell

 

[ISaidRightTurns]

I think the whole point is to avoid the major airports. Instead of holding for hours to get to ATL, they will go to PDK. Instead of waiting out a groundstop at IAH, go to HOU. I see alot of benefits of the idea.

 

[Publishers]

Secondary airports, no frills dayports, 600 nm max distance

 

[JimNtexas]

You need two people to go from A to B, and each weighs 250 pounds and has 50 pounds of baggage.

Do they dispatch two jets?

 

[Catbert]

You need two people to go from A to B, and each weighs 250 pounds and has 50 pounds of baggage.

Do they dispatch two jets?

Sounds like my commercial checkride.

 

[Publishers]

don't know the weight and balance of the aircraft single pilot, however, the 600 nm is the region they will operate in not necessarily the distance of flights.

In the example I used above, there are no 600nm segments. I imagine one hour flights to be the norm.

 

[johnpeace]

I hope to work there or somewhere like it in 3 years.

 

[U-I pilot]

Do they dispatch two jets?

Dont think so. Off the top of my head, full fuel useful load is 700 lbs and change. 600nm trip wont require full fuel so it should be fine.

Maybe they will just put new pilot requirements like must be under XXX lbs.

 

[JimG]

Question?

don't know the weight and balance of the aircraft single pilot, however, the 600 nm is the region they will operate in not necessarily the distance of flights.

In the example I used above, there are no 600nm segments. I imagine one hour flights to be the norm.

How do they get by with just a single pilot...or is my memory of FAR's needing refreshing?

Or better yet....how many insurance companies would accept a fly for hire, single pilot IFR "quasi-airline" operations, in a jet that cruises 375 knots?

Don't get me wrong....I'm not against their concept. If I loved flying in big iron with 200 other people and driving from hubs to get to my final destination all the time, I wouldn't have my own airplane.

 

[El Cóndor]

Whoever made Citrix the company it is today is bound to succeed in anything. Even though IT and aviation are totally different industries (scratch that . . . I just went through Garmin 1000 training abouth a month ago), the thought of using web software to match passengers with Eclipse airplanes and intended destinations is just too exciting to pass up.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Or better yet....how many insurance companies would accept a fly for hire, single pilot IFR "quasi-airline" operations, in a jet that cruises 375 knots?

I am not positive, but I think Rio Grande Air has a single pilot waiver for Catpass 250's. And they are 121.

 

[Publishers]

I do not know if they are going to try the single pilot charter approval or not,,,,, may just look for some light weight co pilots. I was more interested in the economics and when you think of such a low load factor, the feasibility goes way up.