Dasburg knew all along

[penguin22]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Dasburg didn't bother showing up Thursday at the private meeting with McCain, Turner, and the Economic Task Force principals.

Geez, you’d think a CEO of a company who just learned May 28 that his company was getting shut down would be a bit more involved here. Unless he knew all along that this was going to be the outcome.

I think he was recruited just for this job. Caretaker of DHL Airways/Astar until it was time to shut it down. He was promised a big payoff, and got it when DHL bought half his company for… how much? 100+ million, wasn’t it?

He tried to take ABX out also, with the letter of ‘Interest’ to buy it, because he knows that’s always been the ultimate goal here… The systematic elimination of all the smaller express carriers. Just as Rep. Turner suggested.

 

[Airbus300]

I hope not. But how are you ever going to know? Maybe the congressional hearings will shed some light on a lot of things....

Correct me if I'm wrong. Dasburg didn't bother showing up Thursday at the private meeting with McCain, Turner, and the Economic Task Force principals.

Geez, you’d think a CEO of a company who just learned May 28 that his company was getting shut down would be a bit more involved here. Unless he knew all along that this was going to be the outcome.

I think he was recruited just for this job. Caretaker of DHL Airways/Astar until it was time to shut it down. He was promised a big payoff, and got it when DHL bought half his company for… how much? 100+ million, wasn’t it?

He tried to take ABX out also, with the letter of ‘Interest’ to buy it, because he knows that’s always been the ultimate goal here… The systematic elimination of all the smaller express carriers. Just as Rep. Turner suggested.

 

[flyinboxes]

I think I saw Joe Hete there. It was like that scene from "in the line of fire" with Eastwood.

Dasburg can't get visibly involved yet if he wants to keep the peace with DHL in order to pick up the pieces if the UPS/DHL merger falls apart.


The above questions will be answered when the lawsuit gets under way.

 

[penguin22]

Dasburg can't get visibly involved yet if he wants to keep the peace with DHL in order to pick up the pieces if the UPS/DHL merger falls apart.


The above questions will be answered when the lawsuit gets under way.

So you're a CEO and your company just got eliminated. You're just going to do nothing? but keep the peace with DHL? I don't buy it.

Unless that's what you were hired for in the first place.

I think your lawsuit has merit.

 

[rotor&wing]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Dasburg didn't bother showing up Thursday at the private meeting with McCain, Turner, and the Economic Task Force principals.

Geez, you’d think a CEO of a company who just learned May 28 that his company was getting shut down would be a bit more involved here. Unless he knew all along that this was going to be the outcome.

I think he was recruited just for this job. Caretaker of DHL Airways/Astar until it was time to shut it down. He was promised a big payoff, and got it when DHL bought half his company for… how much? 100+ million, wasn’t it?

He tried to take ABX out also, with the letter of ‘Interest’ to buy it, because he knows that’s always been the ultimate goal here… The systematic elimination of all the smaller express carriers. Just as Rep. Turner suggested.

First of all, I'm no fan of John Dasburg.

But if Mr. Dasburg wanted to meet with McCain, all he needs to do is call him on the phone, or invite him to stop by his mansion in Miami. Dasburg is a big contributor to the GOP, and has heavy ties with the Bush family.

Also their are 4 partners in Astar with Dasburg and DHL being two of them. The third one is a guy named Richard C. Blum, who happens to be married to Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)

My guess is you don't see Dasburg publicly getting involved because 49% of Astar is tied to DHL.

 

[shooter]

First of all, I'm no fan of John Dasburg.

But if Mr. Dasburg wanted to meet with McCain, all he needs to do is call him on the phone, or invite him to stop by his mansion in Miami. Dasburg is a big contributor to the GOP, and has heavy ties with the Bush family.

Also their are 4 partners in Astar with Dasburg and DHL being two of them. The third one is a guy named Richard C. Blum, who happens to be married to Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)

My guess is you don't see Dasburg publicly getting involved because 49% of Astar is tied to DHL.

I think that is penguins point about him not getting involved. If it were his intentions to buy out ABX and have a company anyway. His company is going to be mothballed and he just sits quiet and says "okay"? Nothing against the Astar workers, but I said it before during the letter of interest saga, that guy is a dirtbag and thinks squat about workers (at least from past dealings at Northwest).

 

[rotor&wing]

that guy is a dirtbag and thinks squat about workers (at least from past dealings at Northwest).

No disagreement there, but he's also in good company with Hete.

 

[Meat n the Seat]

Dasburg Knew

Of course he knew. It's been obvious for several years he is simply a mouthpiece/caretaker/lawskirter for the Huns. He buys friends and friends buy him. Just another slimy piece of a sleazy puzzle. He and his "investment goup" ( when is Fienstien getting outed publicly?) are paid handsomely to do just as DHL tells him to do. At one point I thought Dasburg may not be looked upon favorably by DHL because of his failure to develop and grow Astar. That thought quickly faded when he spoke to the Astar pilots and said there is no buisiness other than DHL. DHL is it. This in spite of promisses to grow Astar and be a "hands on" CEO. He recently stated to the Astar pilots when asked why he chose not to refleet the airline, "DHL never told me to refleet"

Don't look for Dasburg to do anything positive for "his" company. He's just another criminally inclined rapist CEO who is interested in one thing. Lining his pockets at our expense.

 

[bukakke]

I think the DAZ is going to have his opportunity to answer questions very soon.

 

[freightdogfred]

You guyz need to detach emotionally and see this for what it izz...Business, plain and simple. Go after DHL for breach of contract if you can make it stick, and opt for some type of settlement. No judge can force them to stick with a provider they don't want, but he can enforce a payment of a contract, if you have one. Long and short of it, both groups are contractors, and you'll hear that a lot in court. Trust me, I saw this pony show play out up in Dayton first hand. I sympathize with your plight, but the die is cast. When the time comes, don't let your emotions interfere with a business decision. ( Getting a handful of cash in a settlement) Good luck.

 

[rotor&wing]

You guyz need to detach emotionally and see this for what it izz...Business, plain and simple. Go after DHL for breach of contract if you can make it stick, and opt for some type of settlement. No judge can force them to stick with a provider they don't want, but he can enforce a payment of a contract, if you have one. Long and short of it, both groups are contractors, and you'll hear that a lot in court. Trust me, I saw this pony show play out up in Dayton first hand. I sympathize with your plight, but the die is cast. When the time comes, don't let your emotions interfere with a business decision. ( Getting a handful of cash in a settlement) Good luck.

Sure it's business, why do you think we launched the lawsuit? Contractual Law, plain and simple.

The part I don't get is why people with no interest in this whatsoever are so quick to come on here and tell us how wrong we are for protecting our collective interest.

 

[splatt]

In my humble opinion... and I don't know if the Huns are this smart, but the grand DHL plan does seem to be to put the competition out of business.

 

[nitefr8dog]

I think I saw Joe Hete there. It was like that scene from "in the line of fire" with Eastwood.

Dasburg can't get visibly involved yet if he wants to keep the peace with DHL in order to pick up the pieces if the UPS/DHL merger falls apart.


The above questions will be answered when the lawsuit gets under way.

There will not be any pieces left to pick up!

 

[eatme]

In my humble opinion... and I don't know if the Huns are this smart, but the grand DHL plan does seem to be to put the competition out of business.

FDX or UPS, keep dreaming.

 

[penguin22]

FDX or UPS, keep dreaming.

between UPS and DHL, ultimately only one will survive, I promise you. Right now my guess is UPS, but at this point only those privy to the plan know for sure

 

[abxdx]

You go ahead and go with that idea....Everybody has to have a dream.........

I think I saw Joe Hete there. It was like that scene from "in the line of fire" with Eastwood.

Dasburg can't get visibly involved yet if he wants to keep the peace with DHL in order to pick up the pieces if the UPS/DHL merger falls apart.


The above questions will be answered when the lawsuit gets under way.

 

[flyinboxes]

There will not be any pieces left to pick up!

Agreed!!!

 

[flyinboxes]

You go ahead and go with that idea....Everybody has to have a dream.........

Okay, thanks.

 

[Airbus300]

http://www.wnewsj.com/SiteImages/Article/168391.jpg[/IMG]
[FONT=ARIAL BLACK, ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Analysts told of deal’s downsides[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]WILMINGTON[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]By GARY HUFFENBERGER[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF][email protected][/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]A publicity campaign to make powerful interests alert to the underside of the proposed deal between DHL and UPS now has targeted its message at financial analysts.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]The campaign, known as Save Ohio Jobs, is funded by Teamsters Local 1224, the ABX Air pilots union. Previously, in trying to fan out challenges to the proposed pact, the publicity effort placed advertisements in the publications Roll Call and The Hill, both well read by the politically powerful in Washington, D.C.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]This time the target audience was people with money influence.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Financial analysts from some of the world’s leading financial institutions took part in a July 31 conference call where one of the agenda items was the proposed DHL/UPS arrangement. According to a Save Ohio Jobs press release, the publicity campaign sent the analysts material regarding the proposed agreement “and the devastating effect to Wilmington.”[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]The correspondence to the analysts highlighted the economic and other impact to the Wilmington area. Among the figures were the projected loss of up to 10,000 jobs, as well as a regional taskforce’s estimate that total short-term economic impact to the area would be more than half a billion dollars.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“Reaching out to financial analysts across the world had a three-fold purpose,” said publicity campaign spokeswoman Collette Tucker. “One, it is important that the proposed agreement is not made in a boardroom, without considering the impact and devastation to the families in Wilmington that have made their homes and dedicated their careers to DHL.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“Secondly, the agreement just doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t make good business sense for UPS or DHL and it is certainly not good for consumers,” she added.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“Thirdly, we wanted to make the analysts aware that this has become an economic issue not just statewide in Ohio, but across the nation. Not only has the congressional delegation of Ohio openly opposed this issue, but both candidates for president are talking about this issue,” Tucker said.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]She said time will tell what impact the correspondence with the financial analysts will have. She said she knows the messages were read.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]According to the correspondence sent to the analysts, when DHL acquired Airborne Express in August 2003, there were about 8,500 employees at the Wilmington Air Park. According to the correspondence, Airborne Express during its 23-year history had one unprofitable quarter.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]After sketching the impact a pullout of the DHL air hub is expected to have on Wilmington-area residents and the local economy, the correspondence says in bold type, “We can only conclude that DHL has disregarded one of its core corporate values, ‘to accept social responsibility which includes committing to goals that generate benefits for the communities where it works and respecting the traditions, structures and values of the countries where it operates.’”[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]In a myth/fact sheet, the publicity campaign urges stakeholders to consider, “Should an agreement with UPS take effect but later fail to achieve the desired results, DHL will have no viable option other than UPS. Reportedly, once the agreement with UPS is in effect, ASTAR Air Cargo will no longer exist and ABX Air will not have the requisite air lift capacity to service DHL freight. Simply put, the DHL-UPS agreement is an irrevocable step.”[/FONT]

 

[shooter]

Aaahhh, I let that one slip by under the radar. I'm slacking. Must have been when I was working the smoker and throwing a few back.
But I did get my weekly letters to Senators and Congressmen out last week.
Great Article A300, THANKS 1224!

 

[Jetglow]

You have a very good point Penguin....one that our employee group should ask JD....

I know he has been a contributor to John McCain since the beggining.

 

[Jetglow]

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/john-dasburg.asp?cycle=08

http://www.muckety.com/John-H-Dasburg/6953.muckety

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/fundraisers.htm

On the other hand....Astar's other owner is a Die Hard Democrat and Senator Diane Fienstien's husband.

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6393

I looked for any political contributions on the behalf of Joe Hete, but cant find them anywhere.

I'm guessing that Joe has to show up at a town hall meeting and try to get face time with McCain when Dasburg can simply pick up the "BAT" phone and call him.

Do I trust Dasburg? Yea...About as much as you trust Hete.

 

[Publishers]

This is going nowhere because the powers that be are making the assumption that DHL wants to compete for the US market, wants to remain a viable entitiy here, not just seeking a way out of business gracefully.
Tell me how you compel someone to stay in business that does not want to be.
Tell me how you get someone to throw money down a black hole to maintain social responsibility.
Tell me how you compel a company to maintain an air force when others have gone out of business all the time without Congress being involved.
Tell me how you win?????

 

[Jetglow]

If the UPS/DHL deal gets stopped by some miracle.....it will not prevent DHL from pulling out of Wilmington and going back to CVG. Legalities are one thing and a moral obligation is another.

DHL (Deutsche Post) is a POS and they do not care about Moral obligations....

I cant say that DHL is actually losing as much money in the USA as they say thay are. They have a history of fixing books since way before the Germans bought them. I do know that 40% of DHL's international freight is generated as a result of its US occupation..

My plan is to help the screwed...screw Deutsche post...rather than help Deutsche Post screw me.

 

[rotor&wing]

This is going nowhere because the powers that be are making the assumption that DHL wants to compete for the US market, wants to remain a viable entitiy here, not just seeking a way out of business gracefully.
Tell me how you compel someone to stay in business that does not want to be.
Tell me how you get someone to throw money down a black hole to maintain social responsibility.
Tell me how you compel a company to maintain an air force when others have gone out of business all the time without Congress being involved.
Tell me how you win?????

Tell me how any of this affects you and why do you even care?

Please tell me?

 

[Jetglow]

Luftansa's Jurgen Weber is on Deutsche Post's board pulling the Appel/DHL US strings.

Luftansa and Deutsche Post have had corruption scandal recently.....such as spying on journalists who find the truth..

Both Luftansa and Deutsche post are "State Owned"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,558510,00.html

http://www.businessweek.com/globalb...080610_815936.htm?campaign_id=rss_eu_bulgaria

And dont forget Deutsche Post's Klaus Zumwinkel recently stepped down as a result of Tax evasion charges.

We are dealing with scumbag Germans who are now trying to manipulate the American economy and American workers for higher profit.

Statement of the Supervisory Board of Deutsche Post AG

At its meeting in Bonn today, the Supervisory Board of Deutsche Post AG accepted the decision of Klaus Zumwinkel (64) to resign from his office as Chief Executive Officer of Deutsche Post AG. Jürgen Weber, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, congratulates Frank Appel
The Supervisory Board expresses its thanks to Klaus Zumwinkel for the successful entrepreneurial leadership in the past 18 years and for his outstanding achievements in creating the world’s leading logistics group.
The Supervisory Board unanimously appointed Frank Appel (46) as Chief Executive Officer of Deutsche Post AG, taking effect immediately. His contract runs until October 31, 2012.
Appel has been a member of the Board of Management since 2002 and is in charge of the Corporate Division LOGISTICS, for MAIL International, for regulation management as well as the cross-divisional responsibility for the Group’s 100 largest customers (Global Customer Solutions).
The Supervisory Board also agreed to extend the contract of Chief Financial Officer John Allan (59) by two years until the end of 2010.

​

 

[shooter]

If the UPS/DHL deal gets stopped by some miracle.....it will not prevent DHL from pulling out of Wilmington and going back to CVG. Legalities are one thing and a moral obligation is another.

DHL (Deutsche Post) is a POS and they do not care about Moral obligations....

I cant say that DHL is actually losing as much money in the USA as they say thay are. They have a history of fixing books since way before the Germans bought them. I do know that 40% of DHL's international freight is generated as a result of its US occupation..

My plan is to help the screwed...screw Deutsche post...rather than help Deutsche Post screw me.

Excellent point made here. DPWN made somewhere near $6 billion last year. I had heard it was closer to 50% of it's international freight touches the US, but even if you use 40% thats $2.4 billion as a result of the US operation. That is why I say call their bluff when they say they may leave the US market. I think they know they need it.

 

[eatme]

Does the UPS/DHL deal cover freight to/from the USA, or only just within, or both?

 

[shooter]

This is going nowhere because the powers that be are making the assumption that DHL wants to compete for the US market, wants to remain a viable entitiy here, not just seeking a way out of business gracefully.
Tell me how you compel someone to stay in business that does not want to be.
Tell me how you get someone to throw money down a black hole to maintain social responsibility.
Tell me how you compel a company to maintain an air force when others have gone out of business all the time without Congress being involved.
Tell me how you win?????

So you suggest everyone in the whole town of Wilmington just roll over and take it. Yep what a great idea. Eddie Murphy already did a skit to describe how that would go....let's see here....

Ralph Kramden leanin' out the window there one day sayin'

"Norton! Norton, pal! Come on down! I want to show you something.
HEH HEH"

"Hey Ralphie boy, what do you say there, pal of mine?"

"You know Norton, I've been watchin' you.
And I know you've been watchin' me, Norton.
You're watchin'. I know."

"So Ralph, what are you gettin' at?"

"Norton my friend, how would you like to **** me up the ***?
I know you want to **** me, Norton!
And you know that I know that you know that I know
that you want to **** me.
Now I'm gonna bend over. And when I do, start ******'!
Here I go!"

"Whoooooooooah!
Hummuna-hummunah-hummunah-hummunah-hummunah-hummunah-hu..."

"Way to go there, Ralphie boy!"

 

[AV8OR]

This is going nowhere because the powers that be are making the assumption that DHL wants to compete for the US market, wants to remain a viable entitiy here, not just seeking a way out of business gracefully.
Tell me how you compel someone to stay in business that does not want to be.
Tell me how you get someone to throw money down a black hole to maintain social responsibility.
Tell me how you compel a company to maintain an air force when others have gone out of business all the time without Congress being involved.
Tell me how you win?????

Pub, I can't believe I'm even gonna respond because you seem to indicate at all turns how we should simply just go quietly into the night...but, what the heck....

1. You can't compel someone to stay in business that doesn't want to be. You CAN force a company that is making and worth a buttload of money to honor their contractual and verbal agreements made to the State of Ohio and employees whom they have contracts with. The main problem on that front with DHL is that they tend to believ they are totally above having to honor the agreements they make...with any entity. They can do whatever they want, but till they run out of money, they can by-God pay for promises they made that other people helped finance...(Ohio Tax Payers and Pilot dropping lawsuits in return for growth).

2. I don't think you can get DHL to continue to throw money down a black hole. I think you can convince DHL, that they have a choice,...either throw money where they've been throwing it, but come up with a better plan to compete and thus make good on their commitments. OR, pay money to those who were co-investors in their debacle. It's not a matter of whether or not DHL's gonna continue to pi$$ away money, it's just a matter of how much and who it'll go to. We are simply trying to compel DHL to realign their direction of fire of pi$$ing it away into OUR bucket.

3. I don't care if they keep an airforce. 4. Due to fraudulent inducement damages and and being one of 525 who were third party beneficiaries of their deal with AStar through 2019....they pay off my house....plus maybe a little beer money. THAT's how I win....and you'll never hear from me again.