Dalpa files Furlough Grievance....

[cl65@350]

i think it is important to remember...most of us have 25 plus years left in this industry...our biggest threat to job security is not leo, lorenzo etc...it is our health...just found out a friend of mine...capt at a major was making bank just got MS...career OVER!

I agree that you can jump jobs in search of the best pay and benefits, but you will be changing companies every five years. lets face it...dalpa alpa and the rest do not set the pay and benefits rules...markets do...unfortunately now there are too many people that will fly for free and that will have an affect on all pilot careers in some way or another.

also, those of us who have been around for awhile....look at the trends...what is the darling today may not be the darling 10-15 years from now...ESPECIALLY if the original founder of the company retires and we get some jacka$$ from harvard to come in and destroy the company...so we must keep hoping that SWA doesnt change core management and neither does jetBlue. time will tell but be thankful for your health...


you either work to live.... or live to work

which do you want to be?

 

[rjcap]

Dude, you need to have a beer. Its just a job

Its not just a job. Its a nightmare that I can't wake up from.

 

[General Lee]

Networ-King,

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. Yeah, you are bitter. Yes, I am lucky and happy to be still flying, and really the main thing is luck. A lot of what you say about Dalpa is probably true, but I don't think everything you say is going to be true. I think Song will spread to all of the 757's (120 of them), and I think they may want to separate us (like Delta Express vs Mainline), but doubtful they would want to sell off a profitable subsidiary. They will probably change the pay rates on the 757 and make you work 5-10 extra hours a month to make up the difference, but that will be it. (IMHO) When you say Dalpa is going to sell us out over the river, I think it is relative. The Contract we got with Dalpa's help (And UAL's bad summer and subsequent contract) is better now than anyone elses. (They all went Chap 11 or close to it) Our 767-400 FO's (12 year) make $25 more an hour than a current AA or UA 777 CAPTAIN. A 737-200 Capt makes more than that. Not bad, huh? Delta will owe $1 Billion in debt payments in 2005. Yes, I know it really isn't our fault, but we will probably chip in a little to help----along with every other employee. We won't give them 31%----probably 10-15%, and those high rates could probably take a little hit and still be a lot higher than any other airlines pay. What else will we give them? I don't know. But, we won't exacerbate the furlough problem by furloughing more ( since the grievance was filed), and we will try to get the movement flowing. Will there be productivity enhancements? Probably, and hopefully it won't be ridiculous. I don't think it will----I think most people would rather not have to work an extra 5-10 hours a month---- Time off is a premium to a lot of people. But, I don't know what Dalpa is negotiating right now.

Do I mind being an FO for 15 more years? Nope. Not at these rates, which will not significantly go down for a long while. Unless we hit Chap 11 (unlikely according to Leo), we will probably stay at the top of the heap. I am not driven to become a Captian just to be a Captain. (Been there...) I hope we eventually get that growth back and you have the option to come back. But, if you would rather sell of your number at Ebay, then do it. A lot of people want to come back, and they will eventually. Enjoy flying your Airbus and hopefully you will get what you want. Someday you too may be positive again and able to enjoy life. I hope that is soon.


RJCap,

Your nightmare is the regional industry right now. Mesa is taking over and your contract at ASA isn't going to be as good as it could of been thanks to them and Skywest etc. I hope you guys get what you want, but everyday it seems to get worse. Good luck.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AJWick]

Holy Cow....This is one funny A$$ thread.

Thanks boys for livening my day.

aj

 

[General Lee]

Wick,

This whole thread was just to announce that Dalpa was actually trying to fight the furloughs and try to get some people back to work. Instead it turned into a bitter thread. I can sort of understand some of their frustration, but the good news is Dalpa is attempting to help.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Networ-King]

Gman,


Tisk tisk man....

You need to start rolling your happy smoke, cause the bong tokes are really fuc*ing you up man. Ease up a bit on the old brain cells man and enjoy your flying at Delta, cause it aint gonna last long.

And to the freak that said that this is only a job..............

I don't remember your profile, but it would appear from your moronic statement that you havent had to work hard at all to get where your at. There is one saying that I believe makes alot of sense.....

If you have an ounce of pride left after you got your job at a major, then you went about it the wrong way.

To alot of us its not just a job, its a dream that came true and 9/11 screwed it all up. Hey it happens.....but when people start defending organizations that keep fuc*ing their members,(Insert ALPA here) well that kind of bothers me and yes I will speak my mind.

Hey Gman,

You never did say what your position was at the all mighty best of the best airline....... TK+what?

 

[stillaboo]

General wote:

You obviously don't understand the rules here.

I did, but my brain was out to lunch when I posted. I have deleted the post b/c it was totally wrong.

-Boo!

 

[rjcap]

stillaboo,

You can post anything you want all day long.

Just keep that avatar.

Any chance you can make that thing bigger ?

 

[General Lee]

Networ-King,

I just loved your hilarious statement:

"I don't remember your profile, but it would appear from your moronic statement that you havent had to work hard at all to get where your at. There is one saying that I believe makes alot of sense....."

I am done being nice to you---dumb a$$. I tried to show that I actually care about the furloughs and your plight, and that I feel like Dalpa is trying to help get you back under these terrible circumstances. But, you are so bitter, and I am sick of being nice to you. So, I didn't work hard to get to where I am at? How do you know? I worked very hard for many years getting paid crap flying Brasilias. Oh, but you worked a lot harder--give me a break. A lot of this industry is luck, and you didn't get some with Delta. What else do you want me to do for you? I am paying for your Cobra (and I voted YES recently to extend it), and I call Dalpa often asking for updates and give suggestions. What else can I do for you? You really need to work on your networking skills, they $uck. And you know what, I probably didn't include all of the aircraft I have flown on my description on the left---unless you think I soloed in a Brasilia.


Bye Bye---General Lee TK+2900-3000 (Not exact for a reason)

 

[Heavy Set]

Networ-King,

I thought your post was over the line. I think you misread General Lee's statements - he has never been boisterous like you imply. I have been impressed with his concern for the Delta furloughees - no once can deny that he hasn't been anything but supportive for the furloughees - including yourself....

I have appreciated your funny posts in the past, but your last few have been way off base. Hey, I hope you enjoy Jetblue, but try not to slam your supporters at Delta...

Time for a slight attitude correction....


My 2 cents.

 

[Vortilon]

It IS just a job

Allright I'll bite. You are right. I didn't work hard at all to get to Delta, in fact when I was born I was naturally selected to be hired. My parents were rich and purchased my seniority number and bought me some block time in a Lear. Everything else just fell into place.

Give me a break. Yes, it was a dream come true to get hired at Delta. My wife (also born with a silver spoon entitlement to a major airline job from birth) was also hired by a major at about the same time. We both had it made and were looking into buying a large house and starting a family. We were well on our way to bringing in a quarter mill in 2002 the way things were going. Until,of course, 19 idiots decided to slit the throats of her coworkers and fly their plane into the World Trade Center. My wife used to fly the 767 and was on reserve that day and I thank God every day she wasn't called, as selfish as that is.

The point I am trying to make to you is that we were living a dream too and it all came crashing down around us. Before we knew it we were both out of work and were stuck in our crappy apartment. But were we just going to sit around and feel sorry for ourselves until a recall someday. Absolutely not. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't upset for a while but life goes on. We both got other jobs, bought a more modest house and are enjoying every moment we get to spend together. We're still working on that family thing. There are about 10,000 pilots out there with similar stories and I'm sure they are all rags to riches to rags stories.

By the time I retire, (hopefully at 60), I'll have spent 36 years in this business. Thats a good 5-8 presidencies, probably about the same amount of contract negotiations, probably have 2 more recessions coming and perhaps another furlough and maybe even a merger or three. Other than the occasional ALPA vote or national election, I'll have very little control over the external events in life that affect my job. Even so, I refuse to sit around and worry and point fingers and blame everyone for my situation.

Being furloughed is not the worst thing in the world to happen to you and you can't get so upset with all these big consipiracy theories. If you are so ungrateful for the support you get from Delta or ALPA, feel free to resign from ALPA. When you go back you can just be a non-member. You might as well resign from Delta while you are at it because I don't know how you'll be able to stand being in a cockpit with those guys...the way they turned their back on you. And why don't you just start paying the COBRA payments yourself too.

Quit feeling sorry for yourself....or do it for a little while longer, I don't care but at some point you have to move on. Who you work for or used to work for does not define you as a person nor should that dictate your hapiness. Don't sweat the small stuff....and by the way...its all small stuff.

 

[Networ-King]

General,

You need to read my post again before you start talking out of your a$$. That quote was for Vortilon and not you. He is the one that said its just a job, and I was too lazy to look at his back ground, MY BAD, I'll try to post using smaller words when it pertains to you. I appreciate the COBRA vote, but I don't use it, because my wifes health insurance kicks the sh!it out of Deltas health plan even when I was on line, but the chance of having it is still appreciated. You can stop being nice all you want, I don't care, but sooner or later you have to stop drinking the koolaid and turn to reality once in a while. This whole thing isn't against the pilots group, its against the morons fu*king up all of our careers. And if Delta didnt have a closed shop, You'd bet your a$$ i'd be a non-member. So come up for air once in a while from the koolaid pool man, being positive is one thing, but you go way over board with all this crap ALL THE TIME. Get a grip......


Vortilon,

I should have checked your background before I said what I said to you. Apperantly you knew that quote was for you........ I too have moved on and found other flying jobs, but this whole corrupt management and bullsh!t alpa crap just gets me going, and I try to stay out of it, but happy go luck here keeps posting stupid sh!t, as if a grievance means anything....... or a no furlough clause means anything........ yeah RPM's, 4 months, great first grievance, lets see what alpa can come up with now after they sell the rest of the farm. Sorry to hear that you and your wife both lost your jobs, at least mine is still working. Its still interesting that you would say that this is only a job, after working that hard to get to where you were......... I do find that interesting. Oh well.....different strokes and all that.......

 

[Heavy Set]

Networ-King,

Your response was to a "G-Man"---and that doesn't sound like Vortelon. Next time, make sure you label it correctly. It seems to me that General Lee was an advocate for your cause. You don't want to lose that, regardless of your situation.

 

[Networ-King]

Heavy Set,

I believe your mistaken sir...... re-read my post GMAN is pretty self explanitory, but I will use the proper name from now on. Go down a paragraph or two and you'll see......

"And to the freak that said this was only a job"

That was not to the general.................so all in all...... I will claify my posts a little bit better, but I still think that the general needs to come up for air from the Koolaid pool from time to time and get a good dose of reality. JMHO

 

[acarpe3448]

Hey General Lee!

Thanks again for your support for the furloughed Delta Pilots. I read these posts everyday and as you can imagine I get very pi$$ed off at some of the remarks. A few weeks back you and I decided that it was a waste of our time to carry on the RJDC, and Comair hiring Delta furloughed pilots threads. There were several pilots out there who just could not understand what they were trying to do. It's is a waste of your time, and probably gives you a headache reading surplus' posts. I think you should do the same thing here. You are wasting your time trying to convince these guys about ALPA's objectives at Delta as well as all other airline pilots they represent. Network King has his views and we have ours. I don't think we should keep baching him because he is obviously pissed off at being furloughed and just does not see where ALPA is making any difference in his life. I can relate to what he is saying, I just have not seen ALPA do anything to help out with our furlough problems, or contract negotiations at all the regionals. I would write this one off as just being frustrated over the whole thing. My furlough has hurt bad, it has wipped me out money wise, as well as emotion wise. I appreciate your positve attitude Gneral Lee, and I look forward to meeting you when we do get to come back to work. By the way, Thank You for my insurance, my family could not afford it without you guys.