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DALPA elects new officers from DAL/NWA

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ORLANDO, FL --- Today, the 11 Local Executive Councils (LECs) of the Delta and Northwest pilots’ unions, each represented by the Air Line Pilots Association International, met in Orlando to elect new leadership for the pilots of the merged Delta Air Lines. Each LEC consists of representatives elected by local rank and file pilots. With today’s election, eleven local councils join to make up the new Delta Master Executive Council (MEC), the governing body of the airline’s 12,424 pilots.

The recent corporate closing of the Delta/Northwest merger set in motion the consolidation of the two pilot groups’ governing bodies which culminated today with the election of a single leadership team. The Delta MEC now consists of 33 LEC representatives and four newly elected officers that comprise the MEC Administration.

Captain Lee Moak, a New York based international 767 pilot, was elected to the position of MEC Chairman. Captain Jim Van Sickle, an Anchorage-based 747-200 pilot, was elected MEC Vice Chairman; Captain Bob Hesselbein, a Detroit-based A-320 pilot, was elected MEC Secretary; and Captain Kingsley Roberts, an Atlanta-based 737-800 pilot, was elected MEC Treasurer. The officers assume their new duties immediately.

Captain Moak was hired by Delta in 1988 and served most recently as the Delta MEC Chairman since October 1, 2005. He served in the Marine Corps and Naval Air Reserves and is a retired Commander.

Captain Van Sickle was hired by Northwest in 1984 and served most recently as a member of the Northwest MEC Negotiating Committee. He served in the Navy and the Naval Air Reserves and is a retired Commander.

Captain Hesselbein was hired by Northwest in 1986 and is currently ALPA’s National Security Committee Chairman. He served in the Army, Air Force and Air National Guard and is a retired Lieutenant Colonel.

Captain Roberts was hired by Delta in 1988 and served most recently as the Delta MEC Secretary-Treasurer since October 1, 2005. He served seven and one half years on active duty in the Air Force flying C-130s.

"On behalf of the entire Delta MEC Administration, it is a privilege and an honor to have been elected to serve the Delta pilots," stated Captain Moak. "The past decade has been a harsh reminder of the volatility of our industry and our profession, but I know the Delta pilots are up to the challenge. Over the course of the past year, the Delta and Northwest pilot leadership shattered the traditional way of doing business and forged a new standard for labor’s role in airline mergers. Now that our pilots are represented by ALPA’s single largest Council, it will be up to the elected leadership to continue to navigate the challenges ahead and capitalize upon every opportunity for the benefit of the world’s largest pilot group. I am confident the leadership will work together cooperatively with integrity and determined resolve to advance the best interests of the almost 12,500 pilots we represent."
 
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It sounds funny to mention that the 767 driver is international, but they don't mention that the 747-200 driver is also international.
 

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Who cares. Fact is that each jet sans the 9 flies outside the US. Heck they may fly to Canada!
 

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Probably because Moak flies the 767ER, which is an international category, as opposed to the 767, which is a domestic category. There is a difference, although both categories can fly international or domestic -- although the "767" pilots cannot fly ocean-crossings. Somewhere along the way, in the various translations of the press release, someone put "international" -- a techincal qualifier of Capt Moak's category -- before 767.

Simple mistranslation.
 

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It sounds funny to mention that the 767 driver is international, but they don't mention that the 747-200 driver is also international.

Just one more qualifier to boost the DAL pilot's ego!! Just like the 50 brass buttons, 2 nametags, hat emblem(a.k.a. haberdashery monstrosity!), and dual set of wings!!! The sheet metal these boys lug around is endless!

Tried to say a friendly "Hello!" to one of these boys in DTW the other day, and the most he could muster back was a unfriendly, cold, 'I'm better than you', dismissive, "HOW'S IT GOIN!"(I won't look at you cause you are a second rate aviator) response. This is not the first time I have tried to be friendly to one of these "Double Breasted Pre-Madonnas". All I can say is give it up and lower your pretentious guard!!! You are no better than anyone else!!
 

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Probably because Moak flies the 767ER, which is an international category, as opposed to the 767, which is a domestic category. There is a difference, although both categories can fly international or domestic -- although the "767" pilots cannot fly ocean-crossings. Somewhere along the way, in the various translations of the press release, someone put "international" -- a techincal qualifier of Capt Moak's category -- before 767.

Simple mistranslation.

What he said...you guys read too much into things.
 

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Just one more qualifier to boost the DAL pilot's ego!! Just like the 50 brass buttons, 2 nametags, hat emblem(a.k.a. haberdashery monstrosity!), and dual set of wings!!! The sheet metal these boys lug around is endless!

Tried to say a friendly "Hello!" to one of these boys in DTW the other day, and the most he could muster back was a unfriendly, cold, 'I'm better than you', dismissive, "HOW'S IT GOIN!"(I won't look at you cause you are a second rate aviator) response. This is not the first time I have tried to be friendly to one of these "Double Breasted Pre-Madonnas". All I can say is give it up and lower your pretentious guard!!! You are no better than anyone else!!

Wow. I heard one of our guys stood behind one of your gals trying to get a jump from SEA to LAX on Alaska Airlines, and when she turned around she stated loudly "Hey, thanks for the SLI. I lost 1 and 1/2 years, and I AM A NERD!! NEVER EVER REAL DELTA!" This was before he had the chance to say hi. If you are STILL mad, please call up the arbitrators. Maybe you yelling at them will cause them to change their minds....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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Just one more qualifier to boost the DAL pilot's ego!! Just like the 50 brass buttons, 2 nametags, hat emblem(a.k.a. haberdashery monstrosity!), and dual set of wings!!! The sheet metal these boys lug around is endless!

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I couldn't find in the Ops manual when we were supposed to wear ribbons vs. full medals? :>
 
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Tried to say a friendly "Hello!" to one of these boys in DTW the other day, and the most he could muster back was a unfriendly, cold, 'I'm better than you', dismissive, "HOW'S IT GOIN!"(I won't look at you cause you are a second rate aviator) response. This is not the first time I have tried to be friendly to one of these "Double Breasted Pre-Madonnas". All I can say is give it up and lower your pretentious guard!!! You are no better than anyone else!!

That's funny because I had the reverse happen to me in PHX while waiting for the hotel van. A320 crew, the Captain was a former Republic guy. How do I know? The Captain actually talked back to us while the FO grunted something and stormed off. It was explained he was a little less than happy about the SLI.
 

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It was explained he was a little less than happy about the SLI.

I can see why. I lost almost 7 years of seniority. Wouldn't you be a bit miffed. Granted, it is not any DAL crewmember's fault. However, I think some on the NWA side are pissed that some of you guys think that we struck a goldmine in this merger and we should be grateful to be bestowed the honor of becoming Delta pilots. That is a bit off-putting to say the least.

The 2000/2001 NWA hires got ROYALLY screwed in the SLI. Again, not a fault of any crewmember. I have always been cordial to any DAL crewmember. That will all change though when one of you says something to my face about how I somehow "came out ahead" in the SLI.
 
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Donaldd--BIG MAN BEHIND A COMPUTER WOW!!! YOU DID COME OUT AHEAD. So tell us your name and we will all be happy to tell you so. Geez, grow up Donald Duck, you misrepresent every NWA guy I have ever met.
 

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Fuzz,

Not trying to be a "big man behind a computer" at all. Just speaking reality here my friend. So you say I did come out ahead. I would love to hear your logic on this one, and don't start with the payraise mantra. I would gladly give the cash up in exchange for the seniority I lost. The payraises were not the sole result of DALPA either. It took the merger and BOTH NWALPA and DALPA to get our raises.

Just like you say I came out ahead, I hope you 2007 DAL newhires realize how lucky you are.
 

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I agree the 2007 hires are fortunate for the most part. You and I must have been hired on at roughly the same time at our respective companies though for your seniority to have been effected that badly.
 
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Just one more qualifier to boost the DAL pilot's ego!! Just like the 50 brass buttons, 2 nametags, hat emblem(a.k.a. haberdashery monstrosity!), and dual set of wings!!! The sheet metal these boys lug around is endless!

Tried to say a friendly "Hello!" to one of these boys in DTW the other day, and the most he could muster back was a unfriendly, cold, 'I'm better than you', dismissive, "HOW'S IT GOIN!"(I won't look at you cause you are a second rate aviator) response. This is not the first time I have tried to be friendly to one of these "Double Breasted Pre-Madonnas". All I can say is give it up and lower your pretentious guard!!! You are no better than anyone else!!


Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. You said "Hello" he said back "How is it going" and you got all this bs in just that two seconds? Dude you should look in the mirror before you go off with saying who has a problem!
 

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Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. You said "Hello" he said back "How is it going" and you got all this bs in just that two seconds? Dude you should look in the mirror before you go off with saying who has a problem!

If you were there you would understand. Like I said I have tried to say hello to several of you guys and I always get a cold response. One guy just looked at me and turned his head away. Maybe it's me and my lack of deodorant, who knows.
 
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ok. I hear ya. I try to give a friendly howdy to each in ear shot and at least a nod even if they are far away. I too have gotten some turn aways and lack of responses. I have come to find that more often than not it is not intentional. They may be beat from flying all day or night and commuting home with no sleep or something else. But every time I had a moment to stand and say more than a passing hello, it has always been a nice talk.
 

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If you were there you would understand. Like I said I have tried to say hello to several of you guys and I always get a cold response. One guy just looked at me and turned his head away. Maybe it's me and my lack of deodorant, who knows.

I've been treated the same way. F*ck em. I just avoid eye contact now, and pretend they are not there.
 
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