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Seems like everyone wants to throw their hat in the ring as well as thier two cents into this convoluted cluster-fcuk.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119505714456992875.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo

Hedge Fund Pardus Pushes
For Delta-United Merger


By SUSAN CAREY
November 14, 2007 11:29 a.m.

A hedge fund with stakes in Delta Air Lines Inc. and United Airlines parent UAL Corp. sent a letter to Delta management Tuesday renewing its calls for airline consolidation and specifically advocating a merger of Delta and United.
In the letter, Pardus Capital Management LP, which holds 7 million Delta shares and 5.6 million UAL shares, said it believes "it is imperative" that Delta "enter into a merger transaction with another carrier given the rapid rise in fuel prices and the increased risk to the business as a stand alone entity." Pardus, which noted that the letter was a followup to a Sept. 7 missive to Delta, said it has consulted industry experts including airline consulting firm SH&E and Gordon Bethune, former chief of Continental Airlines Inc.
With their input, Pardus studied potential combinations of Delta with United, Northwest Airlines Corp. and Continental, according to the letter, signed by Karim Samii, Pardus president, and Shane Larson, principal. "Pardus believes the most attractive and practical combination would be a Delta and United Airlines combination," the letter said, because that pairing would produce $585 million in synergies achieve more network breadth than the other combinations.
Pardus went on to recommend a stock-for-stock merger in which Delta shares would be issued to UAL holders, with each UAL holder receiving 2.395 Delta common shares. The hedge fund estimated that the combined company's stock would be valued at $53 a share in 2012, a 75% improvement from today. Pardus also "would support the Delta management team leading the strategic direction of the combined entity," with UAL Chairman and CEO Glenn Tilton serving as nonexecutive chairman for the next year or two.
The letter was sent to Richard Anderson, Delta's new CEO, Edward Bastian, Delta's president and Daniel Carp, chairman of the Atlanta-based airline. Delta, under previous CEO Jerry Grinstein, opposed a hostile takeover of Delta by US Airways Group Inc. early this year, saying that Delta was better off emerging from bankruptcy-court protection as an independent carrier. US Airways' effort fizzled, but its CEO, Doug Parker, remains an outspoken proponent of airline mergers.
Mr. Anderson, who succeeded Mr. Grinstein in September, quickly signaled that he believes airline consolidation could benefit Delta. His comments during the carrier's third-quarter results conference cal were echoed in varying degrees of enthusiasm by all the other major carriers' executives. Mr. Tilton, UAL's chief, has been advocating consolidation in the industry for several years.
Write to Susan Carey at [email protected]
 
Given that almost every major airline merger in the past several decades has failed miserably, it's fair to say it is all about the deal and not about the combined entity being profitable.

It's also fair to say the only capacity reduction will be at the network-carrier level. An overall reduction in the industry will be filled with start-ups.
 
It's also fair to say the only capacity reduction will be at the network-carrier level. An overall reduction in the industry will be filled with start-ups.


that's the funny part about some of these people pushing mergers. Any capacity taken out in the merger will be put right back in at the LCC level. Then the legacy is in even worse position that it was to begin with.
 
Delta responds to hedge fund, reviewing strategic options

By Sue Chang
Last Update: 1:47 PM ET Nov 14, SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Delta Air Lines ) said Wednesday it believes the right consolidation transaction can generate significant value for its shareholders and it is evaluating strategic options. It also said the company is factoring in current oil prices in its long-term planning. The comments were in response to a letter from Pardus Capital Management LP urging the airliner to lead industry consolidation, Delta said. The carrier said it had already established a special committee to work with management to review and analyze strategic options to ensure Delta maintains its leadership position. The committee is headed by Daniel Carp, Delta's non-executive chairman of the board. Shares of Delta rose 3.6% to $19.42.
 
The Delta Press Release

Press ReleaseSource: Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Delta Comments On Pardus Capital Management Letter
Wednesday November 14, 1:26 pm ET
Company reiterates previously stated positions on industry consolidation
ATLANTA, Nov. 14, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE:DAL - News) CEO Richard Anderson today issued the following statement in response to correspondence from Pardus Capital Management LP advocating that Delta lead industry consolidation:

``We appreciate receiving Pardus' views on the best course for Delta's future. We have been consistent in our public statements that Delta believes that the right consolidation transaction could generate significant value for our shareholders and employees and that strategic options should be evaluated. With oil at over $90 a barrel, this analysis takes on a heightened importance as we factor those prices into our long-term planning process.''


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Official: Delta, United Mull Combination
Wednesday November 14, 2:27 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer
Official Says Delta, United Have Discussed Combining the Nation's No. 2 and No. 3 Carriers


ATLANTA (AP) -- UAL Corp.'s United Airlines and Delta Air Lines Inc. have been discussing a combination between the nation's second- and third-largest carriers that would keep the United name and the corporate headquarters in the Chicago area, The Associated Press has learned.
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There is a sense of urgency in the talks, which have been going on for some time and continued as recently as a week or so ago, an official with knowledge of the talks said Wednesday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to speak publicly.

"They want to get something done before a new administration gets in and so they get the clock ticking on" federal regulatory approval, the official said.

The exact financial details of the transaction being discussed are not clear. But the talks involve United being the name of the combined airlines, the headquarters staying in Chicago and Delta's Atlanta hub being an operational center for the two carriers, the official said. One possible scenario involves Delta CEO Richard Anderson being the chief of the combined airline, the official said.

A spokesperson for Elk Grove Village, Ill.-based United did not immediately return a call Wednesday seeking comment. Delta spokeswoman Betsy Talton declined to comment.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

ATLANTA (AP) -- UAL Corp.'s United Airlines and Delta Air Lines Inc. have been discussing a combination between the nation's second- and third-largest carriers that would keep the United name and the corporate headquarters in the Chicago area, The Associated Press has learned.
 
so should I not re-new my Airlineapps membership that is about to expire?
 
Pardus doesn't care if the merger makes sense, they just know they stand to make money on the transaction.

Yeah why don't we tell these Michael Douglas day traders to keep to screwing up their investments and we will let our idiots stick to screwing up our airline.

How in the WORLD will the DOJ let Delta and United combine...two of the largest carriers...all of a sudden they are the mega airline? I dont think so.....regardless it wont be good for ANYONE...except those idiot suits in that hedge fund.
 
Kinda changes the merger playing field. The thought of DAL-NWA, CAL-UAL, USA-LCC, AMR-ALK sorta made some sense, if you can call a any merger logical, but what now? DAL-UAL, LCC-USA, CAL-NWA or AMR-NWA........?

The hands of the clock are ticking closer to midnight.
 
I read several reports about this news topic on different medias. How sad that mergers have all come down to making money for the people involved in the merger - nothing else - just money for those pushing the merger. Pardus Capital Management == Greed.

The flying public - which has never been mentioned in any of the news stories - how will it be for them?

And will a UAL-DAL merger even be approved by the Government?
 
And will a UAL-DAL merger even be approved by the Government?

Probably not, but mission accomplished by the hedge fund managers today.

Sector Wrap: Airline Shares Rally
Wednesday November 14, 5:01 pm ET
By Adam Schreck, AP Business Writer

Speculation of United-Delta Combination Drives Airline Shares Higher

All they need to do is spark the rumor and they make millions on the speculation.
 
So how would the tremendous egos at Delta handle a 3 or 4:1 integration with UAL. As terrible as it would be for the good guys at Delta, it would just be hilarious to watch the General squirm and have to go back to domestic service on the MD-80.
 
So how would the tremendous egos at Delta handle a 3 or 4:1 integration with UAL. As terrible as it would be for the good guys at Delta, it would just be hilarious to watch the General squirm and have to go back to domestic service on the MD-80.

What's the matter, you didn't get an interview. Don't give up. Keep trying.:laugh:
 
As FDJ2 suggested let's do the math:


Pardus owns 5.6 mill shares of UAL, that went up 67 cents, for a profit of 3.752 mill

Pardus owns 7 mill shares of delta, wich went up 77 cents, for a profit of 5.39 mill

total paper profit for spreading this false rumor is over 9 mill, and even if some of those paper gains pull back, a big portion will remain, as a lot of investors now really think the big C is on the way.
 
So how would the tremendous egos at Delta handle a 3 or 4:1 integration with UAL. As terrible as it would be for the good guys at Delta, it would just be hilarious to watch the General squirm and have to go back to domestic service on the MD-80.

I thought they had MD-88s and 90s.

btw, how much was your penile enlargement procedure? I believe Tanker Clown is interested. he's talking to some doctor in china about it right now.
 
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What's wrong 406? Did your upgrade get extended another decade? Maybe you should run over to UAL and get in a new hire class real quick so you can be the General's Capt on the 88 afther the dust settles.

BTW, my doctor is in Mexico not China. He helps me keep the Generals and 737 Pylt's wives loaded up on the Spanish Fly.
 
What's the matter, you didn't get an interview. Don't give up. Keep trying.:laugh:
Naw see you got it all wrong, didn't get the interview because I didn't apply, yes I know I am one of the few, but you guys really make me sick. I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I attempted to work for Delta because for the last four years I have seen how the majority of you folks act, and I just don't think I could be happy flying with such arrogant asses. Now let me clarify, I have met some really great Delta guys and gals, that are straight up good people, but most I have met, have been asses. I think most of the pilots on this board will agree.
 
I thought they had MD-88s and 90s.

btw, how much was your penile enlargement procedure? I believe Tanker Clown is interested. he's talking to some doctor in china about it right now.
What are you curious? Do you want the Docs number? Can't help you there bro, God given talent here. No its not the biggest, but I did like the sign so I figured I would stick it up and see how long it took a fag to call me out about to find out how big it was. Don't worry man we won't tell your wife, you can come out on flight info. What happens on flight info, stays on flight info.
 
Naw see you got it all wrong, didn't get the interview because I didn't apply, yes I know I am one of the few, but you guys really make me sick. I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I attempted to work for Delta because for the last four years I have seen how the majority of you folks act, and I just don't think I could be happy flying with such arrogant asses. Now let me clarify, I have met some really great Delta guys and gals, that are straight up good people, but most I have met, have been asses. I think most of the pilots on this board will agree.

them's mighty big words. where did you say you're working now? let us know when you get in the big time. until then, you're just a frustrated wanna-be with zero credibility.
 
What's wrong 406? Did your upgrade get extended another decade? Maybe you should run over to UAL and get in a new hire class real quick so you can be the General's Capt on the 88 afther the dust settles.

BTW, my doctor is in Mexico not China. He helps me keep the Generals and 737 Pylt's wives loaded up on the Spanish Fly.

Tanker Clown's dog in this fight is the fact that probably NEITHER airline hired him and what smarts the most is that all of his squadron buds are running off to new-hire class while he still barks commands to his E-5 nav begging him to keep looking for the coordinates to orbit somewhere near the Jiwani VOR in Pakistan.

It's OK Clown, Delta will give you another shot, now go out there and orbit like you mean it!!!
 
Mergermania...and you thought age 65 was a career killer, wait until seniority integration with fences and other restrictions. After the Wall St. boys rape and steal everything, they will leave you the carcas to fight over. Good luck.
 
them's mighty big words. where did you say you're working now? let us know when you get in the big time. until then, you're just a frustrated wanna-be with zero credibility.
Big time huh? Making less than Airtran to fly similar equipment is hardly big time.
 
Tanker Clown's dog in this fight is the fact that probably NEITHER airline hired him and what smarts the most is that all of his squadron buds are running off to new-hire class while he still barks commands to his E-5 nav begging him to keep looking for the coordinates to orbit somewhere near the Jiwani VOR in Pakistan.

It's OK Clown, Delta will give you another shot, now go out there and orbit like you mean it!!!

Lumberg, what you don't know can just about fill up the universe. First of all, the tanker has no nav. Second of all, I have a while before I retire, so I have not been turned down by Delta. Finally, what makes you think I would want to work at DAL? Crumby work rules, pay cuts....man...sounds like fun.

I work with reservists that are Delta guys. A young pilot in my squadron asked one of them if he'd help him get on at Delta and the Delta guy said, "I'd have to ask you to get your head examined first. Why would you want to work here."

Sorry to burst your bubble bro. A decade ago, you were the cat's meow...now you are a stepping stone to FedEx, UPS, and SWA. Sorry man. That's the facts. Perhaps if you stand up for yourselves and get your money back (which I think you are more than entitled to) then maybe you'll be the SWA of the 121 carriers. But for now, I'll just wait until I retire. If I can't get on at SWA, then I'll collect a paycheck at Delta until I can get the big money at one of the major players.

Good luck with the merger. Don't let them staple you.
 

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