DAL TA as per Council 20 Chair Tom Tucker

[General Lee]

At continental/united the delta guys made it alot harder to protect and bargain for the 50 seat scope limit. If they want 76 seats mainline can fly them. Thanks Delta!

You can take zero raise and then fly them yourselves. Make sure you negotiate it that way. AA's TA allows for even bigger RJs than DL allows.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[777forever]

You can take zero raise and then fly them yourselves. Make sure you negotiate it that way. AA's TA allows for even bigger RJs than DL allows.


Bye Bye---General Lee

General I don't even think management will do it for a 10% paycut. The cost structure of mainline won't allow UAL to fly those planes competitively. Management will sit until they tire of pounding their fists into the table.

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[waveflyer]

Wave,

Have you seen AA's TA? It's worse than DL's by far, with even larger RJs permitted, and this was agreed upon (in a TA) before ours was voted upon. Your opinion?


Bye Bye---General Lee

They're in bankruptcy with a judge who has the power to abrogate their contract.

The fact that you guys already outsourced -900's in your bk, and are about to validate that decision is influential on the TA they got.

 

[Hamfighter]

It's not going to matter, but I voted my conscience. No.

 

[waveflyer]

I'm proud of every pilot who votes their conscience.

 

[dalad]

I'm proud of every pilot who votes their conscience.

I voted my conscience and it was a yes. It's over, time to move on. Quite a few hardliners have switched their votes from no to yes on the Dalpa board.

 

[waveflyer]

I voted my conscience and it was a yes. It's over, time to move on. Quite a few hardliners have switched their votes from no to yes on the Dalpa board.

And that's why I've always said DALPA doesn't get outsourcing and are the biggest sellouts we have- dalpa IS the race to the bottom- no longer is that the title for any LCC-

Why on earth are you guys considering a fleet of 70 additional outsourced -900's?

You do this and you're absolutely entrenching that size airplane into the purview of contracted whipsawed work-
You're absolutely cutting the legs out from under AA in bk, and UniCal in their large RJ fight.

Scumbags

 

[Scoot 11]

I voted my conscience and it was a yes. It's over, time to move on. Quite a few hardliners have switched their votes from no to yes on the Dalpa board.

You don't owe this troll an answer, his only mission is flamebait. He's a former DAL pilot, got furloughed, and who paid for his job at Southwest. He made his decision to move on, and is looking to justify his decision. These scumbags lowered the bar in pay/benefits for years. They're the ultimate undercutters/sellouts! Now with all the issues Southwest is having, he's looking to "deflect" attention away from his, "just another legacy" airline.

 

[waveflyer]

Actually, I never said it was delta, I said I worked at a legacy and 5 other airlines. I'm more than comfortable with the choices I've made.

And I'm not just flame baiting. I'm begging DALPA members to think long term for once and see what you're about to do. Short term thinking got us all 50 seat rj's. PLEASE don't do it again. !

 

[Scoot 11]

Actually, I never said it was delta, I said I worked at a legacy and 5 other airlines. I'm more than comfortable with the choices I've made.

Including taking one of those outsourced jobs that you so wholly hate!

And I'm not just flame baiting. I'm begging DALPA members to think long term for once and see what you're about to do. Short term thinking got us all 50 seat rj's. PLEASE don't do it again. !

Bull********************, you're a troll. You and your scumbag group sold out the industry for decades.

 

[dalad]

Actually, I never said it was delta, I said I worked at a legacy and 5 other airlines. I'm more than comfortable with the choices I've made.

And I'm not just flame baiting. I'm begging DALPA members to think long term for once and see what you're about to do. Short term thinking got us all 50 seat rj's. PLEASE don't do it again. !

All while you call us scumbags. I had dinner with two AT pilots last night, one an FO who is on your side now and is very happy. The other a 717 Captain who is pissed. Both great guys, but you have a lot of problems to fix in the coming years. I hold no ill will toward you, but you have a chip on your shoulder after being furloughed by DAL. I gave to the furlough relief fund and was glad to donate towards Cobra. And I didn't fly one minute of OT while we had pilots on furlough. But you, have nothing but deep seated anger at everybody around you.

 

[waveflyer]

I have zero anger.

I think it hurts the profession and subverts seniority to outsource such large and advanced jets.

Have we gotten to the point where that simple idea is militant and extreme?

Excuse me if I don't accept it as it becomes common. A spade is a spade.

 

[waveflyer]

Including taking one of those outsourced jobs that you so wholly hate!


Bull********************, you're a troll. You and your scumbag group sold out the industry for decades.

Keep living in the past scoot. My senior pilots sold out in the past, you're selling out now. You know what my senior did not do. Outsource. But keep distracting.

 

[PCL_128]

I think it hurts the profession and subverts seniority to outsource such large and advanced jets.

Have we gotten to the point where that simple idea is militant and extreme?

No one disagrees with that point. What is militant and extreme is thinking that just because you don't like outsourcing that you can immediately put an end to it instead of engaging in pattern bargaining to eventually get there. Making demands and pounding your fists on the table won't get you anywhere.

 

[redflyer65]

Making demands and pounding your fists on the table won't get you anywhere.

Very ironic. Thanks for the laugh.