DAL TA as per Council 20 Chair Tom Tucker

[redflyer65]

Are you serious General? You sound like Delta legal here.

You know those 50's are up to be re-engined as has been documented on here many, many times. The ruse from Delta is they need to get larger RJs while Bombardier is willing. You guys are taking it hook, line and sinker brother.

I can't believe you are even trying to defend it. You've reached a new low.

 

[General Lee]

Are you serious General? You sound like Delta legal here.

You know those 50's are up to be re-engined as has been documented on here many, many times. The ruse from Delta is they need to get larger RJs while Bombardier is willing. You guys are taking it hook, line and sinker brother.

I can't believe you are even trying to defend it. You've reached a new low.

Delta legal? What? Talk about an all time low. That stagnation over there is killing you. There may infact be re-engine costs, and some could be a cost for Delta, which is a good reason to do the deal. I don't know exactly how much would be required by Delta to be paid each year, but instead the DL pilots get $400 million per year in pay and work rule/benefit increases, instead of that money going to pay for those engines. I think that is a great thing, instead of waiting longer for normal section 6 talks. So, we get paid more, and a bunch of RJs leave (more leave than arrive). Nothing to defend here, it's business. You and Wave can go enjoy your stagnation in LBB while you're at it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Except you set in stone a precedent that large network carriers outsource -900's. What about that GL?

 

[waveflyer]

Except you set in stone a precedent that large network carriers outsource -900's. What about that GL?

You were viewing the thread when I posted this question General....
Scared to answer? Busy spending that new raise?
Ooh General's goin to Sizzler!

 

[redflyer65]

Maybe getting the Surf and Turf.

I'm sure his wife will pay because she has the money.

 

[Flybywire44]

Delta legal? What? Talk about an all time low. That stagnation over there is killing you. There may infact be re-engine costs, and some could be a cost for Delta, which is a good reason to do the deal. I don't know exactly how much would be required by Delta to be paid each year, but instead the DL pilots get $400 million per year in pay and work rule/benefit increases, instead of that money going to pay for those engines. I think that is a great thing, instead of waiting longer for normal section 6 talks. So, we get paid more, and a bunch of RJs leave (more leave than arrive). Nothing to defend here, it's business. You and Wave can go enjoy your stagnation in LBB while you're at it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

General Lee,

Delta would find a way if they wanted out of regional flying. Look at what they did to Mesa. Delta deceptivly asked them to cancel flights and then dropped their contract for not meeting completion factor clauses.

ALPA should have bargained based on the value of allowing Delta to continue destroying regional contract pilot career expectations through an artificial seniority reset. How much is lost regional pilot seniority and the regional contract whipsaw worth to Delta? How much is it worth to you General Lee?

Delta could place all future 76 seats on their certificate, buy the 717s and focus hiring pilots from specific regionals. Hiring 500 pilots from XYZ regional would make them fail to meet their completion factor. Contract voided. Delta would never do this because it would be to expensive.

You're giving DAL an inch today, but AMR/US/UAL may give a mile tomorrow. Parker wants 84 seat scope. We'll soon learn what APA sending to it's pilots to vote on.

You may have reduced the number of regional aircraft in the Delta fleet, but you've preserved the regional business model. When do we as Legacy pilots stop the trend of outsourcing our flying.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Delta will let the cat out of the bag again with the -900s just like they did with the 50's in 1992....

 

[redflyer65]

Delta will let the cat out of the bag again with the -900s just like they did with the 50's in 1992....

You nailed it. Next time around they are going to say these new 76 seaters aren't profitable, so we need relief on 100 seaters to make it work. DALPA will buy off on it. They can't say NO. Delta knows it.

 

[BigMeat]

At continental/united the delta guys made it alot harder to protect and bargain for the 50 seat scope limit. If they want 76 seats mainline can fly them. Thanks Delta!

 

[General Lee]

Except you set in stone a precedent that large network carriers outsource -900's. What about that GL?

Wave,

Have you seen AA's TA? It's worse than DL's by far, with even larger RJs permitted, and this was agreed upon (in a TA) before ours was voted upon. Your opinion?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

At continental/united the delta guys made it alot harder to protect and bargain for the 50 seat scope limit. If they want 76 seats mainline can fly them. Thanks Delta!

You can take zero raise and then fly them yourselves. Make sure you negotiate it that way. AA's TA allows for even bigger RJs than DL allows.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[777forever]

You can take zero raise and then fly them yourselves. Make sure you negotiate it that way. AA's TA allows for even bigger RJs than DL allows.


Bye Bye---General Lee

General I don't even think management will do it for a 10% paycut. The cost structure of mainline won't allow UAL to fly those planes competitively. Management will sit until they tire of pounding their fists into the table.

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[waveflyer]

Wave,

Have you seen AA's TA? It's worse than DL's by far, with even larger RJs permitted, and this was agreed upon (in a TA) before ours was voted upon. Your opinion?


Bye Bye---General Lee

They're in bankruptcy with a judge who has the power to abrogate their contract.

The fact that you guys already outsourced -900's in your bk, and are about to validate that decision is influential on the TA they got.

 

[Hamfighter]

It's not going to matter, but I voted my conscience. No.

 

[waveflyer]

I'm proud of every pilot who votes their conscience.

 

[dalad]

I'm proud of every pilot who votes their conscience.

I voted my conscience and it was a yes. It's over, time to move on. Quite a few hardliners have switched their votes from no to yes on the Dalpa board.

 

[waveflyer]

I voted my conscience and it was a yes. It's over, time to move on. Quite a few hardliners have switched their votes from no to yes on the Dalpa board.

And that's why I've always said DALPA doesn't get outsourcing and are the biggest sellouts we have- dalpa IS the race to the bottom- no longer is that the title for any LCC-

Why on earth are you guys considering a fleet of 70 additional outsourced -900's?

You do this and you're absolutely entrenching that size airplane into the purview of contracted whipsawed work-
You're absolutely cutting the legs out from under AA in bk, and UniCal in their large RJ fight.

Scumbags

 

[Scoot 11]

I voted my conscience and it was a yes. It's over, time to move on. Quite a few hardliners have switched their votes from no to yes on the Dalpa board.

You don't owe this troll an answer, his only mission is flamebait. He's a former DAL pilot, got furloughed, and who paid for his job at Southwest. He made his decision to move on, and is looking to justify his decision. These scumbags lowered the bar in pay/benefits for years. They're the ultimate undercutters/sellouts! Now with all the issues Southwest is having, he's looking to "deflect" attention away from his, "just another legacy" airline.

 

[waveflyer]

Actually, I never said it was delta, I said I worked at a legacy and 5 other airlines. I'm more than comfortable with the choices I've made.

And I'm not just flame baiting. I'm begging DALPA members to think long term for once and see what you're about to do. Short term thinking got us all 50 seat rj's. PLEASE don't do it again. !

 

[Scoot 11]

Actually, I never said it was delta, I said I worked at a legacy and 5 other airlines. I'm more than comfortable with the choices I've made.

Including taking one of those outsourced jobs that you so wholly hate!

And I'm not just flame baiting. I'm begging DALPA members to think long term for once and see what you're about to do. Short term thinking got us all 50 seat rj's. PLEASE don't do it again. !

Bull********************, you're a troll. You and your scumbag group sold out the industry for decades.