DAL MEC meets Comair MEC

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I love it. The same pilots who want to scope us and control our futures now want a favor. We have been working hard to make this a career airline, and now these guys want a place to bide there time until the economy picks up? I don't think so. We need pilots who have a vested interest in making this an even better place to work.
Don't come asking for favors like we are some big family after you negotiated limits on us , even though we now work for the same company.
This makes as much sense as me wanting to keep my Comair number if I get hired at Delta, just in case I get furloughed.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

NYRANGER,
I see you flew the do328. I guess you made $150.00 per hour! I noticed your comment about us low lifes who are willing to work so cheap. I would assume you were not talking about your self. How much did you make flying that do328?

 

[FlyingSig]

This makes as much sense as me wanting to keep my Comair number if I get hired at Delta, just in case I get furloughed.

FYI, Delta's official policy (when they are hiring) is that you are NOT required to resign your senority when you come to fly for Delta. Source: Air Inc.

So if Comair were to furlough you, and you got hired at Delta, you could go back to your original seat if you wanted to.

 

[checkessential]

Hope this never happens. Funny how suddenly flying RJ's looks attractive to a mainline pilot. Don't be mistaken, those folks HATE Comair/ASA, have contempt for their pilots and hate the fact that they are working happily. Why should Comair offer ANY empathy. Not going to happen, and if it should, oh boy- I can interview with a mainline that may never hire again.

Cheers

 

[NYRANGERS]

NYRANGER,
I see you flew the do328. I guess you made $150.00 per hour! I noticed your comment about us low lifes who are willing to work so cheap. I would assume you were not talking about your self. How much did you make flying that do328?

Ofcourse I did not make $150 an hour. I used the DO328 as a "stepping stone" to the majors. What I mean is, there are people (including myself) who would fly an RJ for $80 an hour inorder to build my resume and go to a major.

I now see that our pilot groups are at such odds that this is the way things are going to be. I have forgotten about flying for comair. I will now concentrate my efforts on finding a different job.

I hope you can raise the bar to mainline pay and work rules. Just because I don't believe it will happen does not mean I don't want it to happen.

I just think the message from comair was loud and clear and it will NEVER be forgotten. You obviously have no desire to come to Delta, thats your business. But this is extreamly hurtful to the comair pilots that would have liked to come to Delta.

 

[NYRANGERS]

. Not going to happen, and if it should, oh boy- I can interview with a mainline that may never hire again.

Cheers

Don't worry you won't.

 

[VFR on Top]

Ofcourse I did not make $150 an hour. I used the DO328 as a "stepping stone" to the majors. What I mean is, there are people (including myself) who would fly an RJ for $80 an hour inorder to build my resume and go to a major.

You'd bite the bullet and fly an RJ for $80/hr? Geez, that's awfully big of you...

 

[NYRANGERS]

You'd bite the bullet and fly an RJ for $80/hr? Geez, that's awfully big of you...

Come on, you know what I mean. Try all you like to make it sound like I look down at any pilot. I know where I came from. I was talking about captain wages. You will understand a lot more when you enter the industry (if that is your goal).

Anyway I am though with this issue. I enjoy discussing all these issues with everyone. Sometimes it is fun to argue. I wish all pilots prosperity, and fullfilment.

Happy holidays.

NYR

 

[filejw]

NYRANGERS, Maybe you should just put on your skates during your time off. The team could use some help.

 

[mangmntsuks]

VFR on Top, you have not earned the right to comment on this issue.

$80/hr aint sh!t when you consider the responsibility and experience it takes to get to the Left seat of an airline jet.

People like you are part of the reason Airline Pilots have trouble getting fair wages. You're just sooo stary-eyed around jets. WAKE UP!

 

[Freight Dog]

Hey FELLOW AVIATOR... I have a bone to pick with your post regarding WHY hire furloughed mainline pilots.

They won't inhibit your seniority or your career progression or your schedule or pay, however by hiring them you would help out a fellow pilot feed his or her family. I am in no way associated with Delta or DCI, but as another airline pilot, I find it extremely distasteful and frankly, DISGUSTING, that you would use jobs as a political ploy. This is on par with using jumpseat as a political tool which is also wrong.

 

[VFR on Top]

VFR on Top, you have not earned the right to comment on this issue.

$80/hr aint sh!t when you consider the responsibility and experience it takes to get to the Left seat of an airline jet.

People like you are part of the reason Airline Pilots have trouble getting fair wages. You're just sooo stary-eyed around jets. WAKE UP!

Hmm...gee...do you know ANYONE making $80/hr at a regional? I agree with you entirely that pay at the regionals is not commensurate with the responsibility that pilots shoulder. Before you open your trap next time, why don't you do a search on my previous posts and see where I actually stand on the issue of pilot compensation at the regionals. It might be an eye-opener for you. "Starry-eyed around jets"? Pretty bold statement for someone who doesn't know me from Adam....

And my right to comment on this issue is guaranteed by the United States Constitution and the FlightInfo.com terms of service so how's about you go p!ss up a rope.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Hmm...gee...do you know ANYONE making $80/hr at a regional?

Yea, I know comair guys can make over $100 an hour. Again you comment about something you know nothing about.

 

[Medeco]

Hmm...gee...do you know ANYONE making $80/hr at a regional?

I'm not sure what you mean by this exactly, but if your saying that Captains at regionals do not make 80/hr then your mistaken.

If that is not what you mean then my mistake.

Go to ASAcontract.com to see compensation scale.

To be a captain on the RJ is worth much more that 80/hr though without question.

 

[skiddriver]

Well this thread certainly took off while I was out on that trip...

Flying Sig, my point was that since the DALPA MEC was asking for preferential hiring, that means that any furloughed Delta guy gets head of the line priviledges here, and they as a group get first crack at all vacancies.

This isn't the first time that one of the MEC's has gone to the other and initiated a discussion about placing one pilot group's pilots on the other's list. The previous times however, it was the Comair pilot group approaching the Delta pilot group. The "group memory" here of the Delta MEC's response (i.e. submit a resume like anyone else and those of you who are qualified might get hired), whether or not that recollection is 100% accurate, has left some of the folks at Comair with a less than generous spirit now that the shoe is on the other foot.

My previous post was intended to point out that there is a lot of history at work here and that the DALPA phone message did not accurately reflect what transpired at the meeting. My report of the meeting is second-hand, so I can only say that the Comair MEC did not say "No" out of hand. It was more like a "Okay, besides the warm fuzzy feeling it will provide, what's in it for us? How about that seniority list combination issue we brought up with you guys before"? The Delta guys were the ones who said "No".

If their telephone message had reflected reality and hadn't been like my brother who used to tell my Mom that I'd hit him, without revealing that he'd hit me first, I probably wouldn't have even posted. It's self-serving and intended to unfairly deflect the dissatisfaction of the Delta membership from their MEC to the Comair pilot group.

As far as I'm concerned, I could care less how many furloughees get hired here or from what airline as long as they don't get some "super-seniority" deal that the USA guys got in their J4J deal, and as long as some of the practical issues as addressed (protection for the Comair pilot group against getting worked to death when recalls begin and we lose a chunk of furloughed pilots en masse). I have furloughed friends at UAL, Delta, AA, and US Airways and I'd love to see them find a place to work while they wait it out.