DAL/Expressjet NO More

[auspac]

Last week I flew on Express Jet for the first time. Also flew on the E145 for the first time and had very low expectations but was pleasantly surprised. Quality operation. Best of luck to everyone affected by this announcement.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Pick one...

1. The flying goes to Skywest Airlines BUT do they have enough airframes to cover the flying? If not, where would they come OR be transferred from?

2. JO puts all EMB pilots on RES for the month of July.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/mesa.html
"Ornstein predicts an "amicable solution."
Could the solution be a backfill with Freedom?

There will not be a new airline added to the group as stated by DAL that they are going to trim the number.

Remember,
"ExpressJet Delta Connection, chiefly operating out of Los Angeles and Salt Lake City, will cease by Sept. 1, the airlines said."

Someone is going to have to move very, very fast to start an operation.

Since Delta is cutting capacity, I would guess not all the flying will be replaced. Delta may cut some of the current SkyWest flying and replace it with some of this LAX flying, to keep them above the minimum stated on the contract. So nno or very little net gain.

 

[MYFpilot]

In September SkyWest will close ATL base and move the Airframes out west to SLC and LAX. ASA will gain a few 90's to replace the airplanes that move out. Expect the announcement near the end of July... Opening SkyWest LAX domicile (other than the reserve base), and about 150 furloughs ( Maybe more if Midwest augers in before that.), plus a bunch of transitions back down to the Brasilia. Anybody "in the pool" can pretty much forget about working for SkyWest in the near future. Oh and those who commute on United better be doing it incognito come august. It sucks, but that's what we get for being United's biatch.

 

[Mel Sharples]

Notice a trend?

Mesa -- GONE
Pinnacle -- GONE
ExpressJet -- GONE

Delta is thinning the herd. The game of musical chairs just lost three participants. This merger gets more interesting by the day.

The sad thing is we are all going to lose in this. Those who survive will just get beaten that much more.

 

[sweptback]

In September SkyWest will close ATL base and move the Airframes out west to SLC and LAX. ASA will gain a few 90's to replace the airplanes that move out. Expect the announcement near the end of July...

Thanks for making my night. You had me until the ASA getting 90s part, then I knew you were just full of it!

Seriously though, to the XJT people, hopefully nobody tied down roots too much in LAX and maybe the airplanes will find home with United or whoever else has RFPs out currently.

 

[JoeMerchant]

In September SkyWest will close ATL base and move the Airframes out west to SLC and LAX. ASA will gain a few 90's to replace the airplanes that move out. Expect the announcement near the end of July... Opening SkyWest LAX domicile (other than the reserve base), and about 150 furloughs ( Maybe more if Midwest augers in before that.), plus a bunch of transitions back down to the Brasilia. Anybody "in the pool" can pretty much forget about working for SkyWest in the near future. Oh and those who commute on United better be doing it incognito come august. It sucks, but that's what we get for being United's biatch.

If Skywest were to furlough while shifting airplanes to ASA....Those pilots need to be put on the ASA list....There is absolutely no reason to furlough at one while expanding the other....ALPA or no ALPA...that isn't right....

We have a chance to do what ALPA can't seem to do.....A single list at Skywest Inc....and this could be the start of it.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Notice a trend?

Mesa -- GONE
Pinnacle -- GONE
ExpressJet -- GONE

Delta is thinning the herd. The game of musical chairs just lost three participants. This merger gets more interesting by the day.

The sad thing is we are all going to lose in this. Those who survive will just get beaten that much more.

Actually management is doing what we wanted.....Thinning the "portfolio" is a GREAT thing....The fewer players, the less whipsaw.....Delta and Skywest have done more to protect ASA jobs than ALPA has.....

 

[outtahere]

Unfortunatly that is true. Delta and Skywest are helping us more than our own union. However, I am not ready to throw out this union untill another comes along offering more. We need protection in this industry.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Unfortunatly that is true. Delta and Skywest are helping us more than our own union. However, I am not ready to throw out this union untill another comes along offering more. We need protection in this industry.

Yes we do....Has ALPA protected anyone on either side of the fence?

 

[johnsonrod]

That seriously sucks for the Expressjet pilots who actually want to live and stay on the West Coast. Moving back to (or commuting to) IAH or EWR would not be fun. For those who want to stay on the West Coast and have the mimimum requirements, Jetsuite:

http://www.jetsuite.com/index2.html

might be a good alternative. It's a start-up with start-up risks but it might actually work - you never know... The Phenom 100 looks like a fun airplane to fly. I don't work for Jetsuite but I thought it looked interesting - it's aiming to have 100 Phenom 100s flying around the West Coast. Again, it's a start-up started by one of the Jet Blue founders...

Here's info about pilot openings and requirements:

http://www.jetsuite.com/PilotOpenings.html

It won't start until early 2009 I think, but it might provide a way to return to the LEFT COAST if that's what you want.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

We have a chance to do what ALPA can't seem to do.....A single list at Skywest Inc....and this could be the start of it.....

Joe as much as you are gonna hate this, if Obama wins the election and places his cabinet in place, you will see an ALPA single carrier petition filed. And I will bet it gets passed to set the airline industry tone. If Mcgoober gets elected(and doesn't die of old age), we are skrewed. He hates airline pilots worse than NVA prison guards, prepare to see anybody who isn't a US citizen, flying your wheedwacker.
PBR

 

[CFI2766]

Joe as much as you are gonna hate this, if Obama wins the election and places his cabinet in place, you will see an ALPA single carrier petition filed. And I will bet it gets passed to set the airline industry tone. If Mcgoober gets elected(and doesn't die of old age), we are skrewed. He hates airline pilots worse than NVA prison guards, prepare to see anybody who isn't a US citizen, flying your wheedwacker.
PBR

Ahhhhhh...No.

B. Hussein Obama will not do anything dramatically different than W. or Clinton with regards to supporting airline labor. With the airline industry in the state that it will be in by the time of the election, no one in Washington is going to do anything at all to make doing business any more difficult on the collective airline management.

Nice line on the NVA prison guards, though. Somewhat flippant given what McCain went through, but still played to good effect.

 

[CFI2766]

If Skywest were to furlough while shifting airplanes to ASA....Those pilots need to be put on the ASA list....There is absolutely no reason to furlough at one while expanding the other....ALPA or no ALPA...that isn't right....

We have a chance to do what ALPA can't seem to do.....A single list at Skywest Inc....and this could be the start of it.....

IF SKYW furloughs while shifting planes to ASA, it would be imperative to get them on the ASA list. It simply wouldn't make any sense to bring in new-hires when there are SKYW guys on the street.

I'm not sure when this started happening, but I agree with you: ALPA or no ALPA, one list at SKYW/ASA (without the soap-opera SLI) is a clear plus for the pilots involved. If ALPA can't get it done, let the SAPA (right acronymn?) get it done. I'm only half joking there.

 

[airchristyle]

Last week I flew on Express Jet for the first time. Also flew on the E145 for the first time and had very low expectations but was pleasantly surprised. Quality operation. Best of luck to everyone affected by this announcement.

I've non reved with XJT many times out of LAX and back. what a class act ops they got. I got 3 good friends that currently work there. Good luck guys.

 

[Erlanger]

In September SkyWest will close ATL base and move the Airframes out west to SLC and LAX. ASA will gain a few 90's to replace the airplanes that move out. Expect the announcement near the end of July... Opening SkyWest LAX domicile (other than the reserve base), and about 150 furloughs ( Maybe more if Midwest augers in before that.), plus a bunch of transitions back down to the Brasilia. Anybody "in the pool" can pretty much forget about working for SkyWest in the near future. Oh and those who commute on United better be doing it incognito come august. It sucks, but that's what we get for being United's biatch.

Delta has plans for Skywest to do Caribbean flying out of Atlanta starting in the fall. Skywest pilots and flight attendants have recently completed the mandatory "open water training" as it pertains to the Caribbean and the new "told" cards regarding Caribbean flying have been put in the cockpits of the 900.

 

[Erlanger]

Since Delta is cutting capacity, I would guess not all the flying will be replaced. Delta may cut some of the current SkyWest flying and replace it with some of this LAX flying, to keep them above the minimum stated on the contract. So nno or very little net gain.

Bingo! Seems you're the only one on here that knows what he's talking about.

 

[Captain Morgan]

I can't believe no one has said it.... Mesa Sucks!!! Woohooo! Sorry to the guys/gals at XJT. You help run a quality ship.

 

[Erlanger]

I can't believe no one has said it.... Mesa Sucks!!! Woohooo! Sorry to the guys/gals at XJT. You help run a quality ship.

More importantly, Bozo the Clown died today.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/07/03/obit.bozo.ap/index.html

 

[DoinTime]

Notice a trend?

Mesa -- GONE
Pinnacle -- GONE
ExpressJet -- GONE

Delta is thinning the herd. The game of musical chairs just lost three participants. This merger gets more interesting by the day.

The sad thing is we are all going to lose in this. Those who survive will just get beaten that much more.

You do realize that post merger PCL still has a sizeable crj fleet that will one day be painted in Delta colors, right?

 

[dojetdriver]

Let's not forget that XJT replaced ASA in LAX and Skywest in SLC....XJT underbid Skywest for the flying.....Welcome to RFPs and bidding...Hopefully some or all of this will come back to Skywest Inc.

Are you sure XJT UNDERBID SkyWest for that flying? If I remember correctly, SKY was prohibited from flying anything but UAX out LAX, at that time.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you sure XJT UNDERBID SkyWest for that flying? If I remember correctly, SKY was prohibited from flying anything but UAX out LAX, at that time.

They underbid Skywest INC....Skywest was using ASA to do the flying....Skywest could do the flying with ASA at the time...The XJT bid was low....Jerry doesn't get flying just to get flying.....it has to make sense financially....

 

[dojetdriver]

They underbid Skywest INC....Skywest was using ASA to do the flying....Skywest could do the flying with ASA at the time...The XJT bid was low....Jerry doesn't get flying just to get flying.....it has to make sense financially....

Source?

Besides, are there not some 120's doing at risk flying for UAL? Does that make sense?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Source?

SKYW investor conference call.

 

[dojetdriver]

SKYW investor conference call.

So the SKYW investors had inside details as to how much XJT bid? You trust something like that from an investor call?

 

[DDpaysoff]

It's pretty obvious that Bornhorst president of DCI, wold like to consolidate DCI carriers to 4. After all it was stated when he traded jobs with Selvaggio that he had two major objectives:
1. Create a more seamless operation with Delta
2. Reduce DCI carriers from 8 to 4.

We know ASA, Skywest and Comair aren't going anywhere. My guess on the 4th would republic. They have had a quality product, for the most part, since day one of the delta operation.

Also, delta stated they are having problems rejecting some of the leases which implies they own the airplanes they are trying to reduce. That in turn implies those airplanes are on the property of comair, skywest/asa, given the fact they renogotiated the leases on the a/c they owned during bankruptcy I would guess the comair '50 leases are exptremely cost effective. I would guess skywest/asa pick up the flying and Comair picks up some of the backfill in ATL.

Nobody is winning in these times. The question is more who is going to lose less on sep. 1.

 

[JoeMerchant]

So the SKYW investors had inside details as to how much XJT bid? You trust something like that from an investor call?

From the XJT press release today....

"With the losses we were experiencing from our Delta pro-rate flying combined with our ability to return aircraft to the lessor, this termination of service is in the best interest of our company," said Jim Ream, ExpressJet president and chief executive officer.

Jerry would have never done this deal on a "pro-rate" basis....It's a money loser....XJT did it to keep the planes flying that it lost from CAL....better to lose less money with a pro-rate deal with DAL then to park the airplanes....

Jerry doesn't sign money losing deals....XJT low balled the RFP.....

 

[Bustin]

From the XJT press release today....

"With the losses we were experiencing from our Delta pro-rate flying combined with our ability to return aircraft to the lessor, this termination of service is in the best interest of our company," said Jim Ream, ExpressJet president and chief executive officer.

Jerry would have never done this deal on a "pro-rate" basis....It's a money loser....XJT did it to keep the planes flying that it lost from CAL....better to lose less money with a pro-rate deal with DAL then to park the airplanes....

Jerry doesn't sign money losing deals....XJT low balled the RFP.....

That was always my understanding of the situation... So who's the next low baller to open a temporary LAX base?

 

[Bako Cap]

NO one has the financial resources to low ball an LAX RFP "to get a foot in the door" and last long enough to get a paying contract in the future. XJet did, but lost too much money doing the "low ball" and branded flying at the same time.

 

[Ifly4money]

We know ASA, Skywest and Comair aren't going anywhere. My guess on the 4th would republic. They have had a quality product, for the most part, since day one of the delta operation.

Not to bash republic, but that's not entirely true. When DAL switched from CMR to republic for the CVG-JFK route republic was leaving so many bags behind. Seems that the ERJ cargo bin doesn't fit to many oversized international bags. So DAL was having to send those bags to Europe on Air France at the tune of $1200 per bag. Doesn't matter if you lift is free if you leave $6000+ worth of bags behind on every flight. That is why CMR got that route back very quickly. The bean counter in ATL got tired of having to buy more beans to count the money flying out the door.

 

[Flybet3]

Its sad to read these pathetic remarks about who is going to pick up this flying. What a bunch of vultures you are. It should be a sad day for us all to see the best paid pilots in our segment of the industry taking a blow like this. Its no wonder we all work for the pitiful scraps left behind in the wake of industry turmoil.

And the funny thing is that the vultures are the idiots at majors that flew for regionals before. Wow.