Noserider76
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Sorry To the Midwest folks.
Whoever ends up with those airplanes should really find a place for the pilots that want to move as well. Looks like some kind of BS corporate shell game to me.
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Sorry To the Midwest folks.
Sorry for the stupid question..
DC-9, MD88/90, B717 - all the same type rating as far as the FAA is concerned, right?
Secret Squirrel said:Midwest just dumped 16 717's on Boeing so they can all go to the highest bidder!
Bill gets it. Midwest flies NWA code and will do the same for Delta. Here's some new airplanes. 717 replacements that will be large RJ's in Delta codeshare service which are not included in the 255 large RJ limit. As I explained in my reasons for voting against the JPWA, this is another hole in NWA scope that now is a hole in DAL scope.Bill Lumberg said:Guys....RA has chum in the water and you are right there ready to grab a hook.
Yet another way that trying to scope out flying does not work. We have to scope it IN. All E170 flying via Compass staple. Oh I forgot ... we'll get them next time.INDIANAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 3, 2008--Republic Airways Holdings (NASDAQ: RJET), announced today that its Republic Airlines subsidiary has signed an agreement with Midwest Airlines to provide 12, 76-seat Embraer E170 jets operating as Midwest Connect with initial service beginning October 1, 2008.
"We are very pleased to partner with the Midwest Airlines team and look forward to a mutually beneficial relationship," said Bryan Bedford, Chairman, President and CEO of Republic Airways.
"Republic is a partner that can help position us for a return to sustained profitability and future growth, deploying an aircraft that is fuel efficient, state of the art and strategic for this new energy environment for the U.S. airline industry," said Timothy E. Hoeksema, Midwest Airlines chairman and chief executive officer. "We look forward to working with the Republic team in this new partnership."
Key commercial terms of the agreement include:1. Under the Airline Service Agreement ("ASA"), Midwest will purchase all capacity at predetermined rates and will directly pay or reimburse Republic for industry standard pass-through costs.
2. The first aircraft will be placed into service on October 1, 2008 and the last aircraft on November 15, 2008.
3. The agreement has a term of ten years. However, at Midwest's option, and at any time prior to June 1, 2010, Midwest can elect to convert the ASA into a long term aircraft lease. The 12 E170's would be leased from Republic for the remaining duration of the ASA and operated on the Midwest Airlines operating certificate.
4. All fuel will be purchased directly by Midwest and will not be charged back to Republic.
5. Republic made a one year term loan to Midwest in the amount of $15.0 million, with an additional loan commitment of $10.0 million, based on the achievement of certain milestones.
Bill gets it. Midwest flies NWA code and presumably will do the same for Delta. Here's your new airplanes, 717 replacements that will be large RJ's in Delta service which are not included in the 255 large RJ limit:
Yet another way that trying to scope out flying does not work. We have to scope it IN. All E170 flying via Compass staple.
Oh I forgot ... we'll get them next time.
More and more assured that my NO vote was the right thing to do.
General:Do we have a MKE base? Does NWA? Not really...
Instead, they will be a small niche carrier for business people who want to go NONSTOP into MKE. That's it. They won't be a Delta Connection, they instead will connect Hartford to Millwaukee.
I don't think they will bother us much.
Bye Bye--General Lee
General,
No rain here.....You don't even have clouds in your sky for rain!!
Everything is roses in your Delta world...you and everybody else getting on here bragging about planes that don't exist on DELTA'S CERTIFICATE are just making noise. If you are ready to guzzle RA's jizz, then go for it....just stop making claims on stuff you and I know nothing about (Reference your point about being in meetings)
BTW, only rumor I have heard is that we are going to the desert and cutting cargo doors in the Concorde so we can do JFK-LHR same day delivery subcontract for UPS....
Sorry To the Midwest folks. The General is busy dividing your items like when JC was attached to a cross.......great people made a great airline.....even with your planes, we can't duplicate it!!
General:
There are several angles to this.
First, alarm bells should be going off that airlines are replacing 717's with E170's. That tells you what management thinks of the E170, they prefer it to a 717. (now do the math on a DC9, or MD88 and you realize why I keep an eye on the numbers)
Second, MKE is a de-facto hub which is undergoing a transition from competition to outsourcing via codeshare. MKE serves Montreal, Pittsburgh, Detroit, MSP, Souix Falls, Grand Forks, Grand Rapids, Washington, Atlanta, Little Rock, Orlando, Cancun, Memphis, Baton Rouge, Austin, Phoenix, Colorado Springs, Vegas, Grand Rapids, San Diego and San Francisco.
It is similar to the feed Alaska provides Seattle. (I'd like to compare the numbers for AK pax and ASA pax, we might learn that Alaska's about to be a de-facto DCI carrier).
It is not an "inter galactic" hub, but it is enough of a threat to Detroit that NWA paid to climb in bed & keep AAI out.
We don't compete with our codeshare partners, we just put our passengers on their airplanes.
Third, Delta is a owner of MidWest (or will be soon)
Fourth, if Delta were to furlough, these large RJ's are not subject to the scope limits, or scope sanctions.
It isn't the end of the World, but it does illustrate how there are some end runs that management can make around our scope unless we start scoping flying in.
I'll be adding ATLCADC9B to my card in PENTRY as soon as it lets me.
General:
There are several angles to this.
First, alarm bells should be going off that airlines are replacing 717's with E170's. That tells you what management thinks of the E170, they prefer it to a 717. (now do the math on a DC9, or MD88 and you realize why I keep an eye on the numbers)
Second, MKE is a de-facto hub which is undergoing a transition from competition to outsourcing via codeshare. MKE serves Montreal, Pittsburgh, Detroit, MSP, Souix Falls, Grand Forks, Grand Rapids, Washington, Atlanta, Little Rock, Orlando, Cancun, Memphis, Baton Rouge, Austin, Phoenix, Colorado Springs, Vegas, Grand Rapids, San Diego and San Francisco.
It is similar to the feed Alaska provides Seattle. (I'd like to compare the numbers for AK pax and ASA pax, we might learn that Alaska's about to be a de-facto DCI carrier).
It is not an "inter galactic" hub, but it is enough of a threat to Detroit that NWA paid to climb in bed & keep AAI out.
We don't compete with our codeshare partners, we just put our passengers on their airplanes.
Third, Delta is a owner of MidWest (or will be soon)
Fourth, if Delta were to furlough, these large RJ's are not subject to the scope limits, or scope sanctions.
It isn't the end of the World, but it does illustrate how there are some end runs that management can make around our scope unless we start scoping flying in.
Ridiculous. Yeah, no clouds in my sky.... Man, you are a real downer. Do you have a "case of the Monday's?" as the movie version of yourself said? I think you do. Guess what? We have a new joint contract (that you voted No on probably), and we are going to merge and get bigger. Enjoy it.
Bye Bye--General Lee