DAL BK worst option for recovery

[General Lee]

X-ream-me,


You always have the ability to show me where I am wrong---but you never really do--always using slams. I welcome good debate and if I am wrong--I would like to know it. But, you can't seem to come up with any data or articles to back up your statements. I have never said, "I am always right." You, on the otherhand, resort to name calling and put downs when you can't come up with any proof to your arguments. If you just want to resort to name calling--fine. I can handle that. But, I atleast put some effort into my posts and look for info that shows it is credible.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[InclusiveScope]

X-ream-me,


You always have the ability to show me where I am wrong---but you never really do--always using slams. I welcome good debate and if I am wrong--I would like to know it. But, you can't seem to come up with any data or articles to back up your statements. I have never said, "I am always right." You, on the otherhand, resort to name calling and put downs when you can't come up with any proof to your arguments. If you just want to resort to name calling--fine. I can handle that. But, I atleast put some effort into my posts and look for info that shows it is credible.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Prof. Lee,
You must have missed my post that questioned your assertion that DAL is manipulating the profit numbers of ASA and CMR. If you look at the first quarter numbers, the independent regional carriers are doing better than the wholly owned carriers. The best DCI carrier is SKYW. How is this so Prof. Lee if it is because the numbers are being manipulated?
http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2.../bts016_04.html

 

[XRMEFLYER]

X-ream-me,


You always have the ability to show me where I am wrong---but you never really do--always using slams. I welcome good debate and if I am wrong--I would like to know it. But, you can't seem to come up with any data or articles to back up your statements. I have never said, "I am always right." You, on the otherhand, resort to name calling and put downs when you can't come up with any proof to your arguments. If you just want to resort to name calling--fine. I can handle that. But, I atleast put some effort into my posts and look for info that shows it is credible.

Bye Bye--General Lee

OK Private, here it is. I've said it a few times before, but apparently you weren't paying very close attention.

You don't have to SAY that you are "always right" for your posts to come off that way. When you respond to my post that was admittedly lacking in references to newspaper or magazine articles(since when are they any kind of authority on anything?) by saying "Ever heard of..." you are being a pedantic sanctimonious prik and just begging for a beating not inviting any sort of dialogue on the subject.

As for the dig about your lacking the courage to wear the uniform, well I guess that was wrong of me to say and I apologize. It was a time delayed response to one of your last scholarly works where you say that I am "being a military jerkoff" during one of our debates. What were you trying to say there? Were you sticking to the subject matter and referencing data to support your case or doing just what it is that you impugn me for? You lit into someone( I forget who maybe Lowecur or Sleepy or medflyer) just the other day and called them a "jerk" for wanting to see their company grow and along with it their career. So enough with the "why is everybody always picking on me" Charlie Brown routine because you are doing the same thing.

 

[FDJ2]

Not at Delta FDJ2. The only group at Delta with a Defined Benefits plan is the Delta pilots.

I glad you now realize how rediculous that statement is. The Delta pilots, as you now most certainly must know are not the only group with a DB plan.

 

[InclusiveScope]

I glad you now realize how rediculous that statement is. The Delta pilots, as you now most certainly must know are not the only group with a DB plan.

They are the only ones FDJ2. The other plans are being eliminated over the next 7 years. DB plans (including Soc. Sec.) were a mistake. Delta is still using a 9% return assumption with the DB plan. The historical average for stocks is only about 7%. In any case, I work for DAL as a pilot and I don't have a DB plan. I am not interested in subsidizing yours anymore. You are welcome to join my plans - they are called "401K" and "Roth".

 

[General Lee]

Inclusivescope,


The other new plan is the "cash balance" plan, and that is being challenged in court. IBM tried to pull that, and they lost in court.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[InclusiveScope]

Inclusivescope,


The other new plan is the "cash balance" plan, and that is being challenged in court. IBM tried to pull that, and they lost in court.

Bye Bye--General Lee

That is what CMR has. The "courts" can't recoup something that isn't there. "Cash balance" plans are more realistic.

 

[FDJ2]

They are the only ones FDJ2. The other plans are being eliminated over the next 7 years.

Inclusive, that's a nice little dance your doing around the facts. The fact is you proclaim that the Delta pilots are the only employee group that has a DB plan, but that is incorrect, since the other employee groups also have a DB plan until 2010. If we have this conversation 6 years from now, you might be correct, but you are patently wrong to state the other employees do not have a DB plan. Feel free to continue to dance, or just accept the fact that you were wrong and move on.

 

[InclusiveScope]

Cinci. Post article

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By Alexander Coolidge
Post staff reporter

Signals from the pilots union that it's ready to reopen negotiations with Delta Air Lines Inc. are raising concerns among some pilots working for the company's regional carriers, including Cincinnati-based Comair Inc.



Regional pilots this week sent an open letter to the head of the national union urging it to oversee Delta negotiations to ensure that their separate union pacts with Comair and Atlantic Southeast Airlines pilots don't become a "bargaining chip" in the talks with Delta pilots.

The regional pilots want to avoid losing any of their benefits just because Delta pilots are considering making concessions to help the financially troubled airline.

Comair and Atlantic Southeast are both wholly-owned regional subsidiaries of the Atlanta-based carrier. Different chapters of the Air Line Pilots Association represent pilots with the three related airlines under different contracts.

"We are keenly aware of how ALPA engaged in 'crisis' bargaining at US Airways," wrote pilots Kenneth Cooksey and Daniel Ford, referring to similar talks at another legacy airline struggling to avoid bankruptcy. "We therefore expect ALPA to take all necessary steps to ensure that its bargaining at Delta is conducted in a manner consistent with its obligations to the ASA and Comair pilots."

Last week, the Delta pilots' union said it had decided to jump-start talks to cut pilots salaries in an effort to help turn the airline around. The news came after five months of stalemate.

Cooksey and Ford are seeking several assurances, including that the union would remove any potential restrictions on growing Comair's and Atlantic Southeast's fleets and geographical operations.

Financially struggling Delta has actually grown its regional carriers' fleets as it shifted dozens of mainline routes to smaller planes to save money.




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