CRJ vs ERJ Type

[LegacyDriver]

I thought DO pilot seats were the most uncomfortable things in the world, though. OY. I was miserable sitting in those. But the Primus 2000 was "pretty danged smooooooooooooooooooooth."

 

[hotwing]

speed

Why would anyone hold 240/250 in the climb at 10,000? Most profiles have you climbing at least at 290 or 320 to 240 or 250 and then .74 to 77 in the transition. It is this slow flying that is slowing down everyone else... Push the damned nose over and move it out of the way... I know when I was at Skywest, it was 290 and then .70 in the climb... Now, from what I know, most of the Mainline guys move it a lot faster -- 320 KIAS at or above 10,000 is fairly common, right?

 

[LegacyDriver]

Climb at 320 all you want. Waste all the gas you like. Bottom line is, when every pound of gas is precious (like going over the water from KPHX or KSFO to PHOG) you don't waste it going 320. You climb at best rate for as long as you can.


I have won the fuel saving bet many times, both in the ERJ and the Legacy. The wing is very thick. Moving a thick airfoil at high speed only creates a lot of drag. Get her up to thinner air as quickly as possible and you'll be better off.

Never got this confirmed, but I was told the original ERJ climb profile was down near 200 KIAS and I tend to believe that. Allegedly the 240/270/290 profile was created for traffic flow not efficiency. Most days I level off at 390 doing 210 KIAS then accelerate to cruise speed (.795M, depending). If I am in the way ATC will tell me to speed it up or I will get a vector for the climb.


As it stands, 99 percent of the time I am coming out of places where they have plenty of time and space to work me around everyone.


The EMB can either climb fast or go fast, it isn't a G-IV or MD-80 that's able to do both.

Just hold 240 all the way to altitude. Your Mach number will increase as you go so you will effectively be going faster as you climb, but you'll get up quicker out of drag and low-altitude fuel guzzling. If we all did it maybe gas would get cheaper--who the heck knows?

Laugh if you want... But it works. Don't worry about me, I'm happy to pull into the slow lane and let you pass me by. I'll catch you in cruise. LOL

Going 320 in the climb only makes smoke and noise...

 

[ERJFO]

no automatic apu fire protection on the ground.

????
After the bell is on for 10 secconds the APU dies... Careful with the fire test.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Come on, be honest. What do you really do? Are you the boy in charge of cleaning the hanger, cleaning the airplane, dumping the lav, hoping some day they will give you a shot at flying an Embraer?

I've only got about 30% the time you claim to have in the ERJ, and I'm a total slacker when it comes memorizing things. But even I seem to know more about this aircraft than you and your "nearly 4000 hours".

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=948086&postcount=22

I rest my case.

 

[dojetdriver]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=948086&postcount=22

I rest my case.

What case are you resting? YOU talked about going to FL390 in the ERJ, as well as the XR not having wipers? Some guy talks about the windshield heat on the XR and it ties into you having experience in the ERJ how? You spout off some kind of expertise about the "clicking" noise, but talked about "410ing it dude" in the ERJ.

Get back to cleaning the airplane, the boss might have to come in tommorow and take a flight somewhere. It is Monday, you know.

 

[LegacyDriver]

What case are you resting? YOU talked about going to FL390 in the ERJ, as well as the XR not having wipers? Some guy talks about the windshield heat on the XR and it ties into you having experience in the ERJ how? You spout off some kind of expertise about the "clicking" noise, but talked about "410ing it dude" in the ERJ.

Get back to cleaning the airplane, the boss might have to come in tommorow and take a flight somewhere. It is Monday, you know.

I NEVER claimed going to 390 or 410 in the ERJ.

I NEVER claimed flying the XR (or even sitting in one for that matter). I rarely see them up close. ALL of my non-Legacy experience is in the 135LR, 135KL (140LR), and 145LR.

I made some MISTAKEN assumptions about the XR based on the Legacy. I simply assumed some performance enhancements in the XR (M 0.80, no wipers, FL390) based on its commonality to the Legacy in terms of winglets, engines, and strakes. No big deal. I don't fly the XR, never have, never will. But I can throw the book at you on the LR and the Legacy.

I'm glad to see the point of my post was lost on you... Here it is (as you missed it the first time) :

Do you think a guy who had never flown an Embraer would be able to give you a detailed explanation of how the windshield heat works? Probably not.

I will say this though, the ECJ (EMB-135BJ) pays a LOT better than the ERJ.

 

[dojetdriver]

I NEVER claimed going to 390 or 410 in the ERJ.

I NEVER claimed flying the XR (or even sitting in one for that matter). I rarely see them up close. ALL of my non-Legacy experience is in the 135LR, 135KL (140LR), and 145LR.

I made some MISTAKEN assumptions about the XR based on the Legacy. I simply assumed some performance enhancements in the XR (M 0.80, no wipers, FL390) based on its commonality to the Legacy in terms of winglets, engines, and strakes. No big deal. I don't fly the XR, never have, never will. But I can throw the book at you on the LR and the Legacy.

I'm glad to see the point of my post was lost on you... Here it is (as you missed it the first time) :

Do you think a guy who had never flown an Embraer would be able to give you a detailed explanation of how the windshield heat works? Probably not.

I will say this though, the ECJ (EMB-135BJ) pays a LOT better than the ERJ.

Look at post #54. YOU are talking about when "you 410 it dude". If you are going to compare the Legacy to the CRJ, of course that airplane is going to come out on top. Like I said, compare the Legacy to the challenger 800's or the lesser global, not the CRJ, see what you get. Your point didn't get "missed with me". You were coming off as an expert on the ERJ series of aircraft and were spouting off numbers which were inaccurate as well as comparing apples to bowling balls with the you little "legacy vs. the crj" rants.

Go mop the hanger again, you missed a spot on the floor.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Look at post #54. YOU are talking about when "you 410 it dude". If you are going to compare the Legacy to the CRJ, of course that airplane is going to come out on top. Like I said, compare the Legacy to the challenger 800's or the lesser global, not the CRJ, see what you get. Your point didn't get "missed with me". You were coming off as an expert on the ERJ series of aircraft and were spouting off numbers which were inaccurate as well as comparing apples to bowling balls with the you little "legacy vs. the crj" rants.

Go mop the hanger again, you missed a spot on the floor.

And as I said..... If (IF) the ERJ were to "410 it dude" it wouldn't fall out of the sky like the CRJ does. Get a grip man. Same wing, same motors, virtually identical weight between the XR and the Legacy. The XR would get to 410 no problem and it wouldn't flameout, coffin corner, roll inverted, seize the engines to the point they can't be restarted, and kill everyone aboard. THAT was the point. (Not bashing the crew, we're discussing the AIRPLANE.)

HERE's THE EXACT QUOTE:

At least when we "410 it dude" we can do it for hours at time at fairly hefty weights with very wide speed margins unlike the CRJ. The XR has the same wing and engines and would perform very similarly there.

The "we" is in regard to Legacy jets going to FL410 with regularity at weights within about 3000 pounds of MTOW (49,604).

I ranted nowhere, but, when I discussed the topic I specifically compared the 50-seat 145LR to the 50-seat CRJ. The Embraer was superior in all but a couple of areas and those areas are not particularly useful to the CRJ any way (namely speed and ceiling). The XR would pound the CRJ into the sand more resoundingly is the only difference.

Compared to the ERJ the CRJ is inferior (marginally so, but still inferior). That's just my opinion having jumpseated on them a LOT, knowing instructors and pilots who have actually flown BOTH, and going line by line through the limitations & procedures with a buddy of mine who was studying for an oral on the CRJ. The ERJ came out on top hands down. That is to be expected in my view as the ERJ is newer. It had better be superior.

 

[hotwing]

Yeah right !

 

[LegacyDriver]

Yeah right !

Snappy comeback, HW!