CRJ vs ERJ Type

[Cloudroller]

The ERJ Engines are weak - they were built to go on a target drone. I think the ERJ is a much easer / simpler airplane to learn than the CRJ. Its a great starter jet, the universal 1K FMS is junk (the Honneywell is great). The ERJ type rating is probably better to have, because of the Legacy. I don't know of a corporate version on the CL-65. (Global and Challanger are nothing like the CRJ)

My understanding the EMB wanted the GE engine - but Canadair had already had options on all of them for the next 3 or 4 years. that's why the 145 has the Rolls. At the end of the day the CRJ will go higher, further, and carry more.

 

[ewrjet]

At the end of the day the CRJ will go higher, further, and carry more.

There is absolutely no way the CRJ can compare to the 145XR for range and payload! Some examples:

EWR-OKC: FULL AND WITH 130 KNOT HEAD WIND.

YYT-EWR: THAT'S ST.JOHN'S NEWFOUNDLAND TO NEWARK. AGAIN A 130 KNOT HEADWIND AND BAD WEATHER IN EWR AND STILL ENOUGH FUEL TO LAND AT ALTERNATE WITH 4000 LBS.

YYZ-IAH: TORONTO TO HOUSTON.

That's just some that I have done. Some that I have not done but I heard are quite long,

HOUSTON TO BOISE,
HOUSTON TO FLORES, GUATAMALA
HOUSTON TO PALM SPRINGS
CLEVELAND TO DENVER
CLEVELAND TO AUSTIN
NASSAU TO HOUSTON
NEWARK TO HOBBY

 

[Cloudroller]

Oh Sorry I was thinking of the 145LR, How about TUS to RUD or PHX to OMA for the CRJ 200. ERWJET - What do you think of the LR's range and payload? Personally I think the CRJ is a POS, but the ERJ 145LR is more limited in what it will do. Not to mention its slow and has a noisy cockpit.

I think you ExpressJet guys are all the same - you like to bitch and moan about what a POS the 145 is, till someone else says its a POS, then all of a sudden its the greatest airplane ever built, and it has the range thats unstopable.

 

[ewrjet]

I think you ExpressJet guys are all the same - you like to bitch and moan about what a POS the 145 is, till someone else says its a POS, then all of a sudden its the greatest airplane ever built, and it has the range thats unstopable.

I know there are guys at XJT that do bad mouth the 145, I've heard them.
I for one never have.

 

[DoinTime]

There is absolutely no way the CRJ can compare to the 145XR for range and payload!

The modern CRJs have an effective full payload/no wind range of about 1200 nm with IFR reserves and an alternate. Top off the tanks,weight restrict the cabin, and get rid of the alternate and the range increases to about 1800 nm.

Just my opinion but neither the ERJ or the CRJ have any right doing anything longer than 2 hours.

 

[IHaveAPension]

Yeah it's wider because you have the gigantic center pedestal taking up all the room!

The ERJ was DESIGNED as an airliner. The CRJ was a Corporate Jet converted to an airliner. It shows.

We have a 130 knot margin for our coffin corner at 410 compared to what, 30 knots for the CRJ? We can start and use our APU at altitudes well beyond what the CRJ's can... We don't have engines that seize up for odd reasons like the Canadair... We also have some of the benefits that go with coming to the game later. Embraer could take advantage of newer technologies that Canadair couldn't.

The list is endless.

The CRJ is okay, but the ERJ has much wider safety margins and is more user friendly all the way around with the exception of the speedbrakes. I hate them on the ERJ.

With the low time unqualified civilians the regionals hire they need all the margin they can get!

 

[Sinca3]

IHaveAPenis:
Just out of curiosity what is the avg number of hours a military pilot flies in a year?
What is the avg number of hours a military pilot has when he gets out?

Granted there are some low timers getting hired at airlines now-a-days but military pilots are by no means better or more qualified.

 

[Cardinal]

Found Em'. Rio Sul ERJ-145 at Curitiba, December 28, 1998

http://www.safe-skies.com/EMB145_1.jpg
http://www.safe-skies.com/EMB145_2.jpg
http://www.safe-skies.com/EMB145_3.jpg

 

[dojetdriver]

Oh Sorry I was thinking of the 145LR, How about TUS to RUD or PHX to OMA for the CRJ 200. ERWJET - What do you think of the LR's range and payload? Personally I think the CRJ is a POS, but the ERJ 145LR is more limited in what it will do. Not to mention its slow and has a noisy cockpit.

I think you ExpressJet guys are all the same - you like to bitch and moan about what a POS the 145 is, till someone else says its a POS, then all of a sudden its the greatest airplane ever built, and it has the range thats unstopable.

Well, I'm currently at XJet and I've already bad mouthed the ERJ, and I'll badmouth the CRJ. They both have their negatives and positives. Getting into a pi$$ing contest over which one is better is a little silly.

 

[AdamKooper]

I think you ExpressJet guys are all the same - you like to bitch and moan about what a POS the 145 is, till someone else says its a POS, then all of a sudden its the greatest airplane ever built, and it has the range thats unstopable.

They can bitch all they want. It won't really matter in a year tho when they lose 69 of them and 600 guys are out on the street.

 

[dojetdriver]

They can bitch all they want. It won't really matter in a year tho when they lose 69 of them and 600 guys are out on the street.

True, IF the planes leave, it won't matter. There will be more to bitch about than who thinks which plane is better.

Some people have made valid comments about the merits and downsides to both aircraft. Others, well, your award for resembling a bag of Summer's Eve finest is waiting for you.

If that happens, for some us it will be our SECOND furlough. Making a comment like you just made is one of the most a$$inine things anybody can say. Have you been furloughed/out on the street in your career yet? I don't wish it on anybody.

Fly safe.

 

[TNPILOT]

They can bitch all they want. It won't really matter in a year tho when they lose 69 of them and 600 guys are out on the street.

We'll see. It's not quite that simple. Are you somehow rooting for us to lose the flying? But I agree, who gives a #&% about the airplane they both pay next to nothing.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

There is absolutely no way the CRJ can compare to the 145XR for range and payload! Some examples:

EWR-OKC: FULL AND WITH 130 KNOT HEAD WIND.

YYT-EWR: THAT'S ST.JOHN'S NEWFOUNDLAND TO NEWARK. AGAIN A 130 KNOT HEADWIND AND BAD WEATHER IN EWR AND STILL ENOUGH FUEL TO LAND AT ALTERNATE WITH 4000 LBS.

YYZ-IAH: TORONTO TO HOUSTON.

That's just some that I have done. Some that I have not done but I heard are quite long,

HOUSTON TO BOISE,
HOUSTON TO FLORES, GUATAMALA
HOUSTON TO PALM SPRINGS
CLEVELAND TO DENVER
CLEVELAND TO AUSTIN
NASSAU TO HOUSTON
NEWARK TO HOBBY

Who wants to be on an RJ that long? We do DTW to AUS but I'm not bragging about it. Routes like that need to be done by nothing smaller than an airbus... I've heard these new 170's are pretty comfortable, though.

 

[007]

Why does this stuff always turn into a pissing contest??????

I have never flown the Crj, but a lot of my friends have .

The way I see it they are both just that, converted aircraft. Challenger to Crj and Brasilia to EMB145. That's the main reason it's so loud up front. Our side windows are actually interchangeable with the Brasilia, and the nosecone is also the same.

The Emb is a flying computer which had alot of bugs at first and the ER models were extremely underpowered. Even the LR's are not that great. But the XR performs more like the -700. But then you can say, who wants to sit in an RJ that long. I get antsy after 2 hrs and IAH to BOI is entirely to long.

Internally they are totally different, two different ways of thinking and I don't think you can compare them very well. I don't know that the CRJ had too many bugs when it came out.

Personally I still prefer the XR. but only in the absence of Boeing and Airbus.

 

[wmuflyguy]

whats the range/payload of a 170?

 

[LJDRVR]

Wow,

A little bit of airframe rivalry is to be expected, but to see this "my jet is better than your jet" stuff degenerate into a childish pissing match where respondants are gloating over their peers misfortune is simply unbelievable.

Neither of them is a real jet.

 

[Cloudroller]

I dont think this is a pissing contest. its just a couple of guys compairing airplanes. I have had fun in both airplanes

 

[Diesel]

The ERJ engines are the same Rolls Royce engines we use on the X.

When is the last time a CRJ engine make it up 510 without locking out.

The fadecs are funny but the engine is built like a brick house.

 

[ewrjet]

Neither of them is a real jet.

This is exactly what Alpa and pilots at the majors said when these planes first came on the scene. Just think how different the landscape might look today, if instead of this line of thinking, they had embraced the aircraft and told management, "a jet is a jet and these planes need to be flown by our pilots".

 

[LegacyDriver]

I compared notes with a buddy who flies CRJs. We went through the limitations and the dos and don'ts of both planes. The ERJ came out on top on just bout every item.


When do you need an APU above FL300? How about when both engines flame out and you need an airstart? Never heard of an EMB Doing that but it is nice to know you have it.

Gen failures? APU.

Pneumatics? APU.


The "P" engines were good. The "E" is fantastic.


All I know is I can hold at 200 knots at FL390 and I don't even see the top of the white arc yet. I know the CRJ doesn't have that luxury.


Someone mentioned telling the FADEC what to do for takeoff. That is because we have three thrust modes and the "computer" as you called it doesn't know which one to use any more than what flap setting to use. It is pilot selectable for a reason.