CRJ Question

[Mojo Risen]

I recently finished ground and CRJ sim training with a regional, and recieved over 25hrs in a D level sim. I pulled out before the checkride because the company was at the low end of the pay scale and has not made progress with the pilots union. My question is should I state my jet training in an interview if asked about any. I have not logged any in my log book to be save. Any help would be great.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

So why didn't you stay on?

 

[svcta]

It doesn' count towards total time, and you'll have to put them down as a former employer(PRIA) so your training record will be sent there, even incomplete, I assume.

This is a pitfall of leaving a job in that manner. Doesn't make you look very desireable(sp).........but I have a friend who did that same thing, then bounced on the 2nd airline before he ever flew a line trip(right out of IOE when they were hassling him for being ill), and still just recently quit airline # 3 after a few months. I think he's satisfied now, but they all hired him.

Good luck.

 

[bertengineer]

I recently finished ground and CRJ sim training with a regional, and recieved over 25hrs in a D level sim. I pulled out before the checkride because the company was at the low end of the pay scale and has not made progress with the pilots union.

Yeah...What you just wrote is a bunch of crap. If that is why you left than you precieve yourself to be greater than any joe that is paying his dues. I think, and I know from talking to the sim instructors that you just couldn't handle it. You were flying like crap and you were told that you might want to take that job at McDonalds since the minimum wage just increased!

 

[imacdog]

Go ahead and lie and say you never received any jet training. Just don't be surprised when you are fired from your new job after they find out that you lied about your training history.

 

[svcta]

don't use the "paying dues" statement. People are sitting at regionals for 10 years or more in a lot of cases. That's not paying dues, it's 25% of your working life.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Sounds to me like a washout, who would quit at that point? Had a buddy that "withdrew from sim training" and he was turned down by CoEx, or whatever they call themselves now, about a month ago. Don't try to hide it, or make sure that they can't find out about it!!

 

[bertengineer]

don't use the "paying dues" statement. People are sitting at regionals for 10 years or more in a lot of cases. That's not paying dues, it's 25% of your working life.

All I meant is that we are busting our hump to have this job!

 

[svcta]

All I meant is that we are busting our hump to have this job!

I can dig that....but "paying dues" implies that it's okay to make so many sacrifices.

 

[bertengineer]

As ws stated prior..if he lies about the training, and gets hired by another regional, when he is in ground school they are doing the background check (PRIA) and all of the other checks. "Oh, why did you have a gap in your employment for these two months?" When you sign the application there is a little blurb at the bottom that states" All of the above information is true!"
When I was going through ground, during the second week we lost three dudes due to them lying on their application. One was a former TSA agent!

Be truthful during the interview..."Why did you leave your last employer?" Don't forget to put in the statement about it being the lowest paid for you high quality of service that you may provide with your special skill learned at ALL-ATP's!

 

[DrewBlows]

You should put the company that you worked for on your work history and probably even your resume, just because it's better than having a gap for three months. I wouldn't tell an interviewer that you left because of low pay an union issues, since most companies have low pay and union issues. You're better off saying you had a tramatic life experience (kid ill, wife/mother died, divorce, dog died, et cetera) that you are over now. Knowing what you know now you would have went the the head of training a Crappy Regional A and asked for some time off, rather than keeping it inside and letting it affect your training. You are a much more mature person now, with more life experience and integrity. That should get you past that portion of the interview, but you had better practice, because it will come up. Good luck.

 

[bertengineer]

You're better off saying you had a tramatic life experience (kid ill, wife/mother died, divorce, dog died, et cetera) that you are over now. Knowing what you know now you would have went the the head of training a Crappy Regional A and asked for some time off, rather than keeping it inside and letting it affect your training. You are a much more mature person now, with more life experience and integrity.

AWESOME! I have to remember that one.

 

[Tarzan]

Or you could be honest and say that you weren't cutting it. They gave you the oppurtunity to resign and you took it. You then went back to work on the basics and now believe yourself a better person from the experience.

 

[Gofish]

I dunno...I left Pinnacle on day 3 of sim...I had another offer and have been at my current gig 1.5 years.

It is always best to have something lined up before telling a company you don't want to work for them. Quite simply, I left PCL because their 2nd year pay was too low for my needs and I was not impressed with how they conducted their training program. I felt they were disorganized and unprofessional.

 

[SSDD]

Oh yeah, I left a company that had spent tens of thousands of $$$ training me because my dog died. Yeah, that would make me a very desirable employee...NOT

 

[veneratio]

If you dont put it on the application then they won't know about it but may ask you why you had a gap in employment. You can always say you work for cash as a waiter or something. PRIA is composed of three different parts.

1) FAA Records (Certificates, Medical, and Violations)

2) Driving Record (DUI, Suspended License)

3) Former Part 121 and 135 Companies you worked for
(training records, drug tests, and comments made on your lesson by the instructor)

If you don't mention the 121 carrier, there is no way for the new airline to know you had training there or worked there so they can't send a PRIA request to that airline.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

I recently finished ground and CRJ sim training with a regional, and recieved over 25hrs in a D level sim. I pulled out before the checkride because the company was at the low end of the pay scale and has not made progress with the pilots union. My question is should I state my jet training in an interview if asked about any. I have not logged any in my log book to be save. Any help would be great.

Yeah....right...."I pulled out"..."I decided it wasn't for me"..."I got let go because of my sim partner"..blah blah blah

Let me guess- you expected the company to go from the low end of the pay scale to at least average during the three months your were in training?

HAHAHAHA!

 

[DrewBlows]

Oh yeah, I left a company that had spent tens of thousands of $$$ training me because my dog died. Yeah, that would make me a very desirable employee...NOT

It was a joke. I was under the impression that a reasonable person would be able to distinguish the difference between your wife dieing and your dog dieing. I guess I was wrong.

 

[DrewBlows]

Or you could be honest and say that you weren't cutting it. They gave you the oppurtunity to resign and you took it. You then went back to work on the basics and now believe yourself a better person from the experience.

That's exactly what I just said, but I told a story. When you're asked you had better have a story to tell, otherwise it might not fly (this depends on exactly how desperate the interviewing company is).

 

[Jack Mehoff]

I recently finished ground and CRJ sim training with a regional, and recieved over 25hrs in a D level sim. I pulled out before the checkride because the company was at the low end of the pay scale and has not made progress with the pilots union. My question is should I state my jet training in an interview if asked about any. I have not logged any in my log book to be save. Any help would be great.

you might want to get some more time because at 1100 hours you are only meeting the mins of the "low end" regional carriers anyway. Sounds like you washed out at any rate.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Just show up at FSI in ATL and go "standby" for one of ASA's newhire classes.

 

[tyuwerty]

If you dont put it on the application then they won't know about it but may ask you why you had a gap in employment. You can always say you work for cash as a waiter or something. PRIA is composed of three different parts.

1) FAA Records (Certificates, Medical, and Violations)

2) Driving Record (DUI, Suspended License)

3) Former Part 121 and 135 Companies you worked for
(training records, drug tests, and comments made on your lesson by the instructor)

If you don't mention the 121 carrier, there is no way for the new airline to know you had training there or worked there so they can't send a PRIA request to that airline.

Aren't companies still required to complete a 5 or 10 year security background check? They attempt to verify everywhere you lived and worked? Like vener said, you will have a gap to exlplain.

The worst thing you can do is lie about attending the training. If they find out you are done.

As it stands, it appears that you either washed out or decided to walk away from a company after they shelled out for all your training. No future company is going to look kindly on either of those without a good story.

 

[pa31350pilot]

I just think it's funny how a bunch of these guys quit because the pay isn't as good as they wanted it. Well didn't you guys know what they were paying before you signed up? Of course you did! If you didn't like it, why start the class and take away a spot for someone who really wanted to be there and could have finished the training? I guess you have to tell yourself whatever it takes to make yourself feel better!?!?!

 

[Tank]

Blah Blah Blah.......

 

[ubpilot]

I pulled out before the checkride because the company was at the low end of the pay scale and has not made progress with the pilots union.

if you want a better pay job, then go for the majors.

 

[Jet.85mmo]

Its the kind of thinking and understanding of FEAR that Bertgineer has that all pilots work under. No other profession could get away with the treatment that airlines give to its pilots. You guys talk about gap in employment, work histroy, sim problems etc. Wake-up, pilots make no money anywhere for years and keep their lives so clean for the chance to fly for a company that may or may not be alive at that time. Add up your hours, worry about what sim instructors say etc. but I all comes down to you. The airlines are running out of people to fit the mold. Ask yourself why, better flying jobs? More money? Whatever! The guy Veneratic said it best. Airlines are not God don't treat them that way.

 

[tyuwerty]

Its the kind of thinking and understanding of FEAR that Bertgineer has that all pilots work under. No other profession could get away with the treatment that airlines give to its pilots. You guys talk about gap in employment, work histroy, sim problems etc. Wake-up, pilots make no money anywhere for years and keep their lives so clean for the chance to fly for a company that may or may not be alive at that time. Add up your hours, worry about what sim instructors say etc. but I all comes down to you. The airlines are running out of people to fit the mold. Ask yourself why, better flying jobs? More money? Whatever! The guy Veneratic said it best. Airlines are not God don't treat them that way.

I agree with you whole heartedly; however, change "the airlines are running out of people to fit the mold" to the airlines are running out of highly qualified people.

There is NO shortage of 500-1500 hour pilots in the USA or world wide, nor will there ever be.

 

[blackbox]

you might want to get some more time because at 1100 hours you are only meeting the mins of the "low end" regional carriers anyway. Sounds like you washed out at any rate.

So who exactly is a high end regional carrier?? Who is requiring 1200 or 1500 hours as hiring mins these days?

Expresssjet, horizon, and AWAC is all 1000tt. Actually I think XJT is looking for less, 600 last i heard. I am not saying its a good thing, but I want to know what great regionals are out there.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Some carriers don't employ you till you pass your check ride. Were you ever legally employed? If not, then there is nothing to report, you just wasted everyones time and money, including your own....

At the same time, it shows a lack of judgement that after a few weeks this employer or job wasn't right for you. You are repsonsbile for your own expectations....

Why should another carrier take a chance on you? I suggest Runaway Bride with Julia Roberts for tonights movie.....

Rezfully yours....