CRJ-200 Question / Procedure Info

[FOB]

1. Are there any stateside operators of the CRJ-200 still limited to 51,000 MTOW?

2. Are there any CRJ operators that check the rudder travel while actually taxiing?

3. Any US carriers with two FMS's installed?

The two carriers I know of do the rudder check during the "Before Taxi Checklist" and all of their CRJs are 53,000 lb limited. I am just checking to see what else is out there in CL-65 land.

Bonus: What does the "CL" in CL-65 stand for? I don't buy the "L" for Lear as CL existed way before Lear became part of the operation.

Thanks in advance.

 

[T-Gates]

1. Are there any stateside operators of the CRJ-200 still limited to 51,000 MTOW?

We werent......

2. Are there any CRJ operators that check the rudder travel while actually taxiing?

At PCL it is part of the After Start Checks.....

3. Any US carriers with two FMS's installed?

Off the top of my head, the only one I can think of is Horizon on thier -700's.

What does the "CL" in CL-65 stand for? I don't buy the "L" for Lear as CL existed way before Lear became part of the operation

Just a WAG, but "Canadair Limited"?

 

[RichO]

Comair still flies 51k aircraft.....they have both 51 and 53......

 

[ArcticFlier]

As it Relates to SkyWest...........

• We're not.......
• No.........
• No
  
• Bonus....I'll go with T-Gate....Canadair Limited..........sounds good, anyway.

AF

 

[Ted Striker]

1. Are there any stateside operators of the CRJ-200 still limited to 51,000 MTOW?

Not sure, ASA is all 53K.

2. Are there any CRJ operators that check the rudder travel while actually taxiing?

Not sure, we do it on the afterstart flow.

3. Any US carriers with two FMS's installed?

Not here! Wayyyy too slick for us. I suggested two-way pagers during recurrent ground as a poor man's ACARS (which we have been told is "coming" for the last three years).

The two carriers I know of do the rudder check during the "Before Taxi Checklist" and all of their CRJs are 53,000 lb limited. I am just checking to see what else is out there in CL-65 land.

Bonus: What does the "CL" in CL-65 stand for? I don't buy the "L" for Lear as CL existed way before Lear became part of the operation.

On the 50 seater I think it means "climbs lousy".

Thanks in advance.

 

[T-Gates]

Re: Re: CRJ-200 Question / Procedure Info

On the 50 seater I think it means "climbs lousy".

Nice!

 

[IP076]

How about "Challenger Line"...?

Just a guess...

 

[BellyFlyer]

Comair has still a few not converted to the 53k MTOW. We also check the rudder travel while moving during the flight controls check (taxi check).

 

[asarjfo]

Comair has still a few not converted to the 53k MTOW. We also check the rudder travel while moving during the flight controls check (taxi check).

So you guys turn off the nose wheel steering to check the rudder during taxi?

 

[rbowen]

We at Horizon have two FMS SYSTEMS on all our aircraft... Dash 8-200,400 and CRJ 700 We also have Heads up displays in all our aircraft which allows for takeoffs as low as 300 RVR and Landing with 600 RVR ( CAT 3A)

 

[TheGuat]

Comair has still a few not converted to the 53k MTOW. We also check the rudder travel while moving during the flight controls check (taxi check).

That is correct information, I was told in ground school the we do the check during the taxi check.

 

[DoinTime]

So you guys turn off the nose wheel steering to check the rudder during taxi?

You can give the tiller a little nudge to offset the small input from full rudder deflection. I hope nobody is turning the nosewheel steering off while taxiing.

 

[FOB]

Good Stuff

Thanks for the responses thus far!

I do like the "Climbs Lousy" identifier for CL, but in its defense, it does climb fast. I emphasize to new folks that we are going 300 knots and STILL climbing! More positive than actually reading the 300 FPM VSI indication. After all, this is an election year.

The rudder check procedure I have an issue with is the actually moving-while-checking routine. I can't see anyone turning off the nose wheel steering to do it, nor can I see Canadier endorsing a procedure whereby you counteract the rudder steering with the tiller.

The weather must really blow out there in the Northwest to need all that stuff to find an airport! Your new Denver flying is going to freak you guys out with 100+ vis. Enjoy the sunshine Horizon.

FOB

 

[ArcticFlier]

Re: Good Stuff

nor can I see Canadier endorsing a procedure whereby you counteract the rudder steering with the tiller.

FOB

That's what I was taught to do with the 727 during the taxi checks..............

AF

 

[FOB]

Interesting

Well, I guess there isn't any supporting mx issues against using tiller against rudder. I find it very interesting how different airlines invent so many different ways to do the same thing.

Aviation does has a reputation for reinventing the wheel.

I for one am happy to know ACA (IAir) will do doing factory Airbus training!

Any other ideas on the "CL" question?

 

[Nindiri]

CL = Challenger?

 

[Weasil]

CL

I would go with Nindiri. Just a guess though.

CL44 Canadair CL-44, CL-44 D4, CL-44 J

CL600 Canadair Challenger CL-600 (CL-600-1A11), CL-601 (CL-600-2A12),

CL-601-3A (CL-600-2B16), CL-601-3R (CL-600-2B16), CL-604 (CL-600-2B16)

CL65 Canadair CL-65 Regional Jet

 

[Bebop]

Canadair Limited

from: http://home.ca.inter.net/~rapickler/intro.html

In 1944, pressure of business compelled Canadian Vickers to ask the government to relieve it of its management responsibilities regarding the Cartierville plant. Ottawa agreed and entered into a management contract with Canadair Limited, a new company founded by a small group of former senior Canadian Vickers personnel headed by Benjamin W. Franklin. Canadair Limited took over operation of the plant on November 4, 1944. In September 1946, Canadair Limited and the plant were acquired by the Electric Boat Company of Groton, Connecticut.

 

[FOB]

Bebop

Bebop, you are the man! Thanks.

FOB