Could the avg ME pilot fly a SE ILS to minimums?

[avbug]

I've always been a little arrogant, but I can back it up with my flying.

That is EXACTLY the attitude that will get you killed.

Good luck with that swagger. Hopefully it doesn't throw your back out.

 

[srjorion]

I've always been a little arrogant, but I can back it up with my flying.

Every single pilot that I have come across in the Navy that has had that attitude has been a below average pilot. To say they sucked would be an understatement.

Patmack, confidence has absolutely nothing to do with measuring your skills against the next guy. I have a lot of confidence in my abilities, A LOT OF CONFIDENCE, but I definitely don't think I'm better than everyone else. Yes, there are guys I think I am better than, but I also know some guys who are twice as good as I am. I have never heard any of the guys I look at as much better than me compare themselves to everyone else. They are great pilots that are humble enough to know they don't need to go puffing their chests out.

Are any instructors out there from this guy's squadron reading this crap he's putting out? I guess we must give him credit for finally getting rid of that gay avatar of himself. Are camera's even allowed in that TRAWING's aircraft without permission?

 

[srjorion]

... but my point is that if don't think you're the best/try to be the best at what you're doing.. why walk?

Whoa, you never said anything about "trying" to be the best in your previous post. You simply talked about thinking you are better than the next guy. Two totally different subjects.

I try to do MY best every flight. I don't care about being THE best because you can never quantify that. Some guys are better at some things, others are better at other things.

How would you determine who THE best is? Oh, I know, we can have a competition, complete with trophy, oh, and then make a movie about it! We can even have cool call signs, guys wearing cowboy hats with flight suits, and gay vollyball scenes. And after we find out who is the winner everyone can get orders to go shoot down F-5s painted like the Russians and have a happy ending.

If you want to think you are the best and it helps you be a better pilot then more power to you. I would suggest you keep it to yourself though.

 

[avbug]

Some of us don't bother trying to measure anatomy in the cockpit, and just fly professionally.

But maybe that's asking too much.

Put me in a room with 50 other pilots, and tell me that after one eval flight 25 are going to be phased out, and I'm going to get everybody together for a study session in the hopes we can all do our finest, and do my darndest to help anybody who needs or wants it. Then I'm going to go fly, and not give a whit about "who is the best."

You know...do my job.

That kind of thinking, "who's the best," is childish and melodramatic, and is best left to Tom Cruise on the silver screen...certainly it has no place in a professional cockpit. Military or otherwise.

I don't see pilots in the cockpit with me or in the air nearby as competition. They're team mates; we're all working for the same team, for the same goal, and seeing who is best or trying to think in those terms can do no good.

I'm good at what I do. But in the grand scope of things, probably average. Soome of the finest pilots I've known are dead, and I'll never have the chance to be the "best," or outmatch them...not would I dishonor their memory by trying. The best I can ever hope for is stay tense, stay alert, and in the final analysis the best I can hope anybody could say about me in retrospect is that I've acted as a professional.

If you want to be the best, be the best father you can be. Be the best samaritan you can be. Cut notches in your bible if you make more three wires than the next guy, if it strokes your boat. But there are much greater things in life to worry about being the best at...and every one of them has only one competitor; yourself. Measuring yourself up against another is something we mostly outgrow somewhere around the sixth grade...

 

[slowto250]

Pat,

It is certainly OK to have a high opinion of yourself. It's when you share that opinion that the trouble starts.

Reminds me of that old line: "But, I'm tired of talking about myself, you talk about me for awhile."

 

[Caveman]

"Put me in a room with 50 other pilots, and tell me that after one eval flight 25 are going to be phased out, and I'm going to get everybody together for a study session in the hopes we can all do our finest, and do my darndest to help anybody who needs or wants it. Then I'm going to go fly, and not give a whit about "who is the best."

You know...do my job.

That kind of thinking, "who's the best," is childish and melodramatic, and is best left to Tom Cruise on the silver screen...certainly it has no place in a professional cockpit. Military or otherwise.

I don't see pilots in the cockpit with me or in the air nearby as competition. They're team mates; we're all working for the same team, for the same goal, and seeing who is best or trying to think in those terms can do no good."

Avbug,

You win the First Annual Aviation PC CRM Speech award with that little diatribe. Lighten the hell up will ya. Jeez, you sound like Ward scolding the Beaver. News flash!! Most pilots worth a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** are bit arrogant. It's part of the job description.

Let me guess, you call it a 'flightdeck' don't you? Don't wanna offend any women that might be part of the crew.

BTW, count me in the half looking at the other 25 poor bastards.

What the hell did ya expect from a guy with tag like "Caveman"?

 

[Ralgha]

Most pilots worth a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** are bit arrogant. It's part of the job description.

Bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. The arrogant pilots are usually closer to the middle or bottom of the pack. Glad I don't fly with punks who think they're God's gift to aviation.

 

[slowto250]

Reminds me of that old joke:

Why did cavemen drag their women around by the hair ?
Because when when they dragged em by the ankles, they filled up with rocks.

BTW Caveman, with a name like that I'm sure you CAN take it, but be prepared for a beatdown, Flightinfo style....


INCOMING !

 

[Caveman]

"Bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED **. The arrogant pilots are usually closer to the middle or bottom of the pack. Glad I don't fly with punks who think they're God's gift to aviation."

Simple question for you Ralgha. Are you better than at least half of the other pilots you know or worse? Don't give me any PC crap either. Simple question, simple answer. Better or worse?

If you say better, you're a hypocrit. If you say worse, then I know why you are defending this PC garbage. I'm betting you won't even answer.

I'm better. I didn't say the best. Patmack is better. He didn't say the best either. It IS all about confidence, not holier than thou. But that's how you and Avbug come off sounding with that we're all equal group hug bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, holier than thou.

 

[avbug]

I'm not ward, but I do know a lot of dead folks with attitudes such as Patmacks'.

I recall many moons ago being given a little speech one evening by a wise individual regarding leadership. We talked about a certain person he'd known who didn't view leadership as lording over, but lording with. He was the one guy who set time aside to tutor, even the little things, from shoe shining to cleaning a weapon. That individual recognized that if he raised up everybody else around him, he raised himself up. Come time for pass and review, his unit received top honors. Seems everywhere he went, the same thing happened.

Those other twenty five bastards are on the same team. You have not to like it, only to do it. That should sound familiar.

Most pilots worth a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** are bit arrogant. It's part of the job description.

No, it really isn't. Safely operates aircraft on mission/to destination. Makes sound judgement-based decisions regarding weather, fuel loading, takeoff and climb performance, payload, mission parameters, etc. Works toward mission goal as team member. Performs assigned tasks as required, yada, yada, yada. Don't ever recall seeing, "needs to be a bit arrogant," as part of any job description. Where did you see this description?

Me, politically correct? I'll call the cockpit whatever you want. Flight deck. Office. Cockpit. Forward seating area. Mental deconstruction zone. Whatever. If anything, I'm probably a little less than politically correct...and I don't post things here unless I mean it.

One thing I do not want on my team is an arrogant pilot...one who has some kind of mental chip on his shoulder about who is "best." I prefer adults, and I can't depend on some weakminded dingbat who is too worried about weather his fly zips tighter than the next guy, who obcesses with being the best vs. being a professional team member, and who can't stand up straight when he walks. If you do happen to swagger, perhaps it's better that you don't know that all you leave behind your back are snickers and smirks. Nobody is impressed but in the level of childishness that bravado brings. Check it when you move up to junior high.

 

[qmaster3]

Ladies,

Losers talk about being the best.

The Winners Are getting laid.

 

[Caveman]

What the hell does confidence have to do with having a mental chip? Nobody said anything about bravado. All the guy said, and I agree with him, is that no matter what endeavor you engage in you should at least have the confidence to think that you are better at it than at least half of your peers. You're the one that turned this into some touchy feely love thy neighbor help everyone achieve mediocrity never leave anyone behind I'll do whatever I can to make every one the best they can be blah, blah, blah.

I'll do all that too and then go on quietly about my business believing I'm better than at least half of them. You do too, but you're not honest about it. Are you really trying to tell me that you don't secretly think you're a better pilot than half of the pilots you know? Tell the truth.....

 

[Caveman]

Slowto250,

My wife HATES rocks........ ;-)

With 500 plus posts on here I've been beat on before and, no doubt, will again. Hey, it's just a few words being blasted back and forth. No big deal. Heck this time I'm agreeing with Patmack, but he and I have been at it a few times over freightdog jumpseats. It's just Saturday night and I'm bored and wandering around in cyberland. I used to get worked up over this stupid site but anymore I just post every once in a while and lurk most of the time.

Have a good one.

 

[Caveman]

Boy, talk about thread creep. This one doesn't even remotely resemble the topic anymore.

 

[stingray]

Caveman I agree with this point
the average non-professional pilot, has no business shooting approachs to mins in normal circumstances.
I use to fly fulltime in the northeast for Capeair, it took me a couple of months to warm up to that type of flying in hard IFR for days strait and shooting hard approachs to mins on nantucket. I take a day or 2 off and then come back to the same type of flying it takes a little time to get back in the groove, and that is from someone who is use to it.
You need to be doing it on a regular basis with a good frequency to be competent at it.
" Just because someone is a mulit-inst rated even with a comm or ATP rating and is current, it doesn't mean SH*T." Weve all seen some pilot with a new rating thinking they where the king, and they knew it all, and they did not know squat, we've all been there at one time or another.
Who first said
"Know Your Own Limitations" When first attemtping real IFR approachs, Set your own mins higher then published, example if its 200 make it 600 or higher, Ask yourself do you realy need to be shooting a real approach to real mins or what ever the weather is at, a pilot needs to give themself a way out and some need a bigger way out then others based on the expeirence and recency of it they have, and are they competent at it. unless they whant a short life span, make the proper adjustments for your given expierence. Expiernece and competence are 2 different things. one does not mean you have the other
Fly Safe
Before anyone says anything I know my spelling stinks