Could JetBlue be next?

[Dan Roman]

Aloha failed because of very deep financial reasons. No amount of public sentiment could overcome that. Too be clear, I never said the State would put up money to prevent a merger. When Aloha failed, there was still a local airline to serve Hawaii. That's the difference.
Go has been a massive failure, very low ridership and in fact, Hawaiian turns away passengers during the peak middle of the day period that Go picks up. They basically carry what Hawaiian can't and have barely survived as basically a skeleton inter-island carrier. In addition, AQ is in no way comparable to what Hawaiian has established itself in Hawaii now. HA is a much bigger factor in the States economy today and much more integral to it's future.

By the way, I'm not just pulling this stuff out of my okole. I've seen articles were the head of the Hawaii visitors bureau has talked about the importance of Hawaiian to Hawaii. I've seen analysts say no one regions fortunes are as strongly tied together as Hawaii is to Hawaiian. Even the President of ALPA made a statement to the press here saying how important an independent Hawaiian Air is to Hawaii (sorry General!).

 

[Dan Roman]

Three neutrals thought it was fair for our SLI, and they determined the list, agreed upon prior by both sides, no "take this or leave it offers." Your CEO and your pilot group thought your's was fair, hence the problem and lack of "LUV" with your merger. A successful merger and SLI has management not taking sides, and staying out of it. There will always be a few, like the guys you spoke with, that thought they got F'd in the merger. All you have to do is tell then to read the award written by the 3 arbitrators, they give their reasons.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Sorry Canyon, General wins this one. There is no way you can compare SWA's actions in their merger to being anywhere near as well executed as the DAL/NWA merger. All mergers suck, but yours sucked a lot more. I'm guessing SWA threw out a lot more employee moral with theirs than DAL did.

 

[slaquer5]

. Even the President of ALPA made a statement to the press here saying how important an independent Hawaiian Air is to Hawaii (sorry General!).

Oh wow even the president of ALPA. wow you should have said that from the beginning.

SO what else did this OHHH great one have to say.

Dan do you actually believe the dribble to spew?

 

[General Lee]

Sorry Canyon, General wins this one. There is no way you can compare SWA's actions in their merger to being anywhere near as well executed as the DAL/NWA merger. All mergers suck, but yours sucked a lot more. I'm guessing SWA threw out a lot more employee moral with theirs than DAL did.

I agree Dan, and Canyon is trying to equate two things that had different outcomes. There probably are some disgruntled FNWA pilots, a couple of their bases were closed(ANC and now MEM). DL also closed FDAL bases too, like DFW and the cutback of flights at CVG. It happens. But, many FNWA seemed to have funneled into DAL bases, like LAX and ATL, the latter of which is now very senior to the large amount of FNWA pilots living in FLA. So, there are more that are happy with the merger than not.

Except for Madjack, I'd say the overwhelming amount of AT pilots on here at least, do not view their merger favorably. Management should not have become involved, but it is what it is now.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[madjack]

AT is going to buy JB... C'mon dorks get a life...

 

[madjack]

Blah, blah, blah

 

[General Lee]

Oh wow even the president of ALPA. wow you should have said that from the beginning.

SO what else did this OHHH great one have to say.

Dan do you actually believe the dribble to spew?

Dan,

I'm sorry, but Slaquer is correct. Don't trust Moak. The best thing we could have done is to ship him to National ALPA, to get him away from us. One deal he made with management was getting rid of our SIL's, which were lines of time that allowed you NOT to fly for the month, in exchange for 55 hours of pay, or 15 less than the minimum. Sounds great, right? If the company is fat on pilots in the Winter, they get to pay less, and the pilot gets the month off. A win win. But wait, then somehow it was changed via a TA (nobody was allowed to vote on) that gave the month off, with NO PAY...... huh???? Thanks LM.

Some ALPA is ok on the local carrier level, but I haven't seen much from National, especially the Age 65 thing.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[aewanabe]

Of course we could. I foresee Alaska buying us any day now. Or not... Who knows?

 

[Dan Roman]

Slaquer and General, I'm not arguing about Moak good or bad, that's a whole neither string if you want to go there. My point was simply that the perception of Hawaiian as an independent company comes from many different perspectives, not just mine.

 

[texman]

Question for Gen nuts? Is Delta shrinking. I heard no new hires for the three years??