Corporate Airlines Attrition!

[Skyypimp]

$22/hr FO pay

I heard from someone who (Believe it or not) is in the pool for Corp Ex. He spoke with Burly on Friday and Burly indicated that the pay for FO's is on the desk of the folks that make the decisions for CEA. This is not a rumor like I first thought. Also, It is not confirmed as of yet. He also indicated that Burly said the pay for Everyone else will still remain frozen.

If the pay does go thru then I believe the Captains of CEA should all stand up and demand not only our longevity pay but also $3.00/hr more to match the FO's increase. IF NOT then I say that it IS time for some sort of representation.

There is a union here in STL that IS willing to talk with us. I just need e-mail addresses so that they can contact everyone and see if there is enough interest. If not then so be it.. We will have to live with what the company does.

This may only be a stepping stone company for you, but that does not give CEA the right to toy with the largest group of employees that it has. This proposed pay raise for FO's is a slap in the face to everyone who has put more than a year into this company, and an INSULT to every captain flying for CorpEx.

As far as the rumor about CorpEx getting J41's from TSA???? Just wait until you see one on the ramp in MQY with the company name on the side of it .. Then you can start to think that we may one day get something bigger.

 

[BoilerUP]

EVERYBODY at 3C (with the exception of managment, of course) is underpaid. Rampers, station managers, dispatchers and most definately pilots. If they give the FOs a raise then the captains need to revolt until they get AT LEAST the same $$ raise. Then once you get that raise, get represented and fight for a raise for the rest of the employees. ALPA, Teamsters, whoever... I mean if Gulfstream is union, then by-God Corpex should be too! Oh yeah, while you are shaking up the house, get rid of those shatty TSA rampers in STL.....

Best of luck to you guys and gals, you were all top-notch people (with the usual exceptions) to work with and you deserve every penny you can get from those cheap bastards.

Oh yeah, and if you owe me (you know who you are) or are willing to give a broke ex-3C LAF ramper a LOR for 3C or whatever airline you move to, I'd definately appreciate it!

 

[gear_guy]

Wow!! I just happened to interview with Corpex in 1999. The only reason I did it was because all of my flight instructor's, from the local college, worked there. After a couple min.s into the interview with the Chief, I could tell right away that this was where the company was headed. I hit the door running and told all the guys I knew "good luck." You guys deserve alot more than $3/hr. I'm sorry, but I know alot of highly qualified guys there that have at least 4 years captain seniority. I just cannot believe you have let it go this far. We have got to stop horrring ourselves out like this. I am pulling for you guys. The only problem I see are the captains you do have that are happy to be getting paid to fly airplanes. Even though they are highly qualified, college degree, etc. the mgmt. sees right through them. You have to bring a united front on those commie pigs. Good Luck!

 

[belchfire]

hehehe


estimating only having 55 pilots in August. Beancounter didn't find
out till thurs or fri last about the attrition and impending crisis
of pilot shortage...guess he don't know that people can and will
go to greener pastures!!! Or doesn't know why professionals
would want to leave the near-utopian conditions and generous
pay and benifits.

Smack!!! Sorry, my cinicism gets loose sometimes.

We have (rumor has it) interviewed a person with 400 hrs total time
and 38 hrs multi. OMG!!!

we have won the race to the bottom!!!

 

[Skyypimp]

Monday is drawing near........

Any of us CorpEx ers out there reading this .. PM me if you want some sort of representation. I am not saying that it will happen NOW but I think that an E-mail may be able to be sent out this week to see if there is enough interest in having someone at least chat with us and answer questions that we may have. PM me with your e-mail address (Which will be HIGHLY confidential) and I will pass it on to the person that is setting all of this into motion.

GL To all of us.

As for the 400 hr pilot ??? WOW .. That should be enough to scare the sh1t out of us.

We Captains MUST stand up for ourselves if the pay raise for the FO's goes thru. Now is the time to unite and get what we are owed. I can imagine the management of CEA giving all of us captains the bird and laughing at us for being fools.

 

[Firebird]

Hmm

In defense of the DO. That is NOT HIS secretary she belongs to Fred.And the DO does not play golf. As for Pye he is a flippin liar. His job is to beat the bushes for more business so far the only thing he is beating is his meat.And making a good living at it. I think that Caldwell should come out and address the issues being discussed here face to face with all employees however like it was said befor he is a puppet and Fred is pulling the strings.

Just wondering where you heard that rumor about FO's Making $22/hr ?
I dont think that Management would really give them a $3/hr raise just to keep them and leave the Captains to twist in the wind. I think about 1/2 or more of the FO's are not even ready for upgrade as of yet. I Dont think they have the time to even qualify for an ATP rating.

ALSO

Who says that the company is NOT making money? If we were loosing money, then I do not think that they would even be thinking about $22/hr for the FO's. If you listen to management then YES we are loosing money. But I do not think that Ritchie Would stay with this company if it were doing that badly. I think that the captains should all look at this RUMOR and say . " FINE, If they get a pay raise then there is no more flying until we get ours". If the mechanics can do the same thing in MQY then we can do it in STL. Make NO mistake, The company is not loosing money, Infact they are probably making ONE HEII of alot more then they let on. We Pilots have been accepting this 9/11 SOB story for way too long.
This is just IMO but what they are saying and what they are thinking do not add up.

For some time now the CP has told everyone that we are just making a VERY SMALL profit and any additional expendatures would put us into the RED. Yet I just heard today that not only did they Hire Ron Pye but the D.O. Now has a personal secretary. ?????????? And we are barely making money??????? It Doesn't sound like we are hurting so bad after all. What does Kevin need with an assistant anyway? What does he do all day long that he requires the assistance of someone else???? Can GOLF really be that hard. Or does he need someone to push the gas pedal on the cart???? .

Again just my opinion. Everyone here at Corp Ex should look at this for them selfs and decide if the company is just trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Im not saying that we need to be making $50/hr but it would be nice to make what I signed up for.[/QUOTE]

 

[Skyypimp]

Hey there Firebird

The rumor about $22/hr came from 2 people. One is a FO with the company who is very close to management and the workings of such down in MQY. The second came from a pilot in the hiring pool who spoke with Burly this past Friday. He said QUOTE " Burly told me that they are thinking about paying the FO's $22/hr. but it is still on the desk of the guys that make the final decision. everyone elses pay will still be frozen." UNQUOTE. If this was a rumor then why would Burly say that?

I will tell you what,..... I will call burly today and find out from his mouth if there is really a request in the works to set the FO pay a $22/hr. If he says YES then I think we as captains need to act swiftly.

 

[Pigpilot]

You bunch of whiners

I dare you to do anything, I dare you. You don't think we are watching. There are some bad attitudes out there and we are watching you.
KK

 

[Skyypimp]

Just some information for thoes who are interested

What Your Employer Can and Cannot Do
[font=Georgia,Times,Times New Roman]You should expect that in most cases that your employer will be against employees organizing. This is normal. By building the Union, you can overcome the obstacles management will place in your path.[/font]

[font=Verdana,Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva]As you build your organization, expect that your supervisor will break the law. Warn your co-workers that many of the itemized infractions below will happen. Union activists should note any questionable company activity and report it to your Teamster representative.[/font]

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• [font=Verdana,Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva]Attend any union meeting, park across the street from a meeting site or engage in any undercover activity which would indicate that the employees are being kept under surveillance to determine who is and who is not participating in the union.[/font]
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[jyz737]

Now Is The Time

It is now time for the people that we have left to take a stand. There are not enough pilots left to fly everything, if EVERYONE stands together and refuses to fly OT until the pay freeze is gone it WILL come back. Look at what MX did, not only did they get their pay back but they also got rid of the "old" director of MX. Since we are all pilots and like to look at numbers lets see what happens if you compare current pay with 75hrs + 5 hours of ot to 80 hrs of what you should be making:

3rd yr captain stuck at 1st yr pay:
1st year pay:75hrs +5hrs ot =2282

3RD year pay: 75hrs +5hrs ot =2566

I have been here longer than most but now my time to move on has finally come. I will miss the people but not the place. I still stand by the get the 1000 pic and get the hell out of there, even if it is to a regional. I wish all of you the best.

And to stand by the old Jet Pig ways (hell I forgot my number)
NO NAME NO GUTS!!!



JohnnyZ

 

[BoilerUP]

bump bump bump it up



Good luck at your new gig, JZ, from all the ex-LAF employees.

Any of you guys know if a certain DL from Parks College got called up to the bigs yet?


JETPIGS UNITE!

 

[belchfire]

I dare you to do anything, I dare you. You don't think we are watching. There are some bad attitudes out there and we are watching you.
KK

"bunch of whiners"

hehehe

Captain Stan Culpa was told a few weeks
ago that he had a "bad attitude"...I guess
that's what got him the class date at
CHQ!!! Congrats to Stan and to FO John
Conner for their promotions...to CHQ.

to the tune of 99 bottles of beer

55 pilots in august y'all, 55 pilots in august
take to down, send 'em to town,
53 pilots in august y'all.

he...hehehe

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

JetPigs Unite!!

 

[Pigpilot]

Ha! Had you going didn't I

From another CrapXer who has gone the way of the wing (hotwing that is) I just want to thank all you very wonderful people who will remain good friends for the rest of my days. Things just wouldn't be the same if I didn't kick it up a notch. I will certainly miss working here because all of you.

Yes, when I came on board, it was everything people said. Low pay but great QOL. Quick upgrade, 1000pic and on to bigger and better things. Then of course 9-11. Ok, enough already. Mgt can not bank on that excuse anymore. Everyone else out there is prospering and CrapX is nothing but stagnant. Why would any pilot with more than 500 hrs of TT want to come to a company that will take 2+ years to upgrade in a pig? If anyone does the math, it just doesn't make sense. Yea, use it as a step to get 121 on the resume and get another job.

As for all the promises made to me and the gang, well, Guess what, "Big things are here!" See the light and use it to get:
Back on pay scale-which is not a raise as Mgt puts it but an increase in pay based on experience and longevity! You earned it, you don't ask for it!
Hotels that don't house the local crack dealers!
Aircraft that are at least kept clean!
Work schedules that reflect quality of life to balance out the lack of pay
Gratitude for being here and doing what you do instead of brow beatings and accusations for things you don't.
A real life company plan instead of fly by night, day to day
I could go on and on but I think you get my drift.
I step off my soap box now.

 

[belchfire]

hehehe

kk should have been kc, shouldn't it? who cares?
<<<<<<<<<< hehehe he said hooters!(Don't you
think my avatar would look good on a 75?)
Take me to the Hotwings!!! Pleazze!

"But momma, I don't want to go to Quincy!"

"Mr. Scott, beam me up, there is no intelligent
life here!" It went to Hooters!

All y'all that have vacated/are vacating the
premisis are pretty friggin smart...and lucky...
got any lotto numbers for me?

What's that thing about poor quality festering
after the cheap price?

Rock on my friends!

 

[probablecause]

"JetPigs Unite!!"


Go Go Go!!!

Rock on my friends. I miss you all. I would go into battle carrying the flag with you if I were still there. Sorry I bailed, I just got to feed the family ya know?

Good Luck,

PC

 

[belchfire]

Probable my friend you have nothing
to appologize...unlike my typing and
spelling. Four tehm I ofer mi rejects.

Ya know, I'll even miss jz a little!
except for when he's out of smokes

For those who think you know me,
the following quote is not mine. In
fact it predates my tenure. It is said
that "the two happiest days in a pilot's
life are when he gets hired at Corpex,
and the day he quits."

Keep 'em straight over there and
have fun with the bigger $!

 

[Skyypimp]

Ok Belch;


Is this better??? HA HA

Any new word on the pay raise for FO's? I have not heard anything as of yet. I also heard that some one will be contacting pilots after the 4th of july to see if there is enough interest for a union. I hope that EVERYONE considers it carefully.

I cant believe that Stan was told that he has a bad attitude. I guess the company does not want to hire pilots who think.

JET PIGS UNITE !!!!!!

 

[Pigpilot]

Dudes!

This company is currently living on a wing and a prayer. Nope, not even a hotwing with that one. A union is going to be necessary to open the doors to anything at CrapX. Consider it carefully and then jump on the opportunity! At least if it is not readily accepted then the company might just be sold to a company that needs talented pilots and is willing to grow with the $$ to be able to. Just think, the phone list of people running this company in MQY is longer than the pilots phone list. That should tell you something there. This whole outfit is just a front to keep a bunch of corrupt business men with a pay check provided to them by YOUR SWEAT AND BLOOD!
Unite and revolt! It is the only way!

 

[Crizz]

Do they have a training contract?

 

[belchfire]

Sorry skypimp, couldn't resist!!!

Crizz...sometimes. Bet they might
since most of the last thirty people
they hired bailed at about 100 hrs!

And I think that the kind of pilots
corpex needs are the kind of people
that would vote for J. Hanoi Kerry...
people that don't care if there is a
plan, how the plan has changed, what
kind of excuses there are for changing
his mind/stand on issues or if he has
any idea what the heck is going on
and that there are ragheaded MF's
out there trying to come to us and
do us harm.

We have got to get more money if
they expect me to babysit some
FNG with 38 hours in a seneca. Geeze!

On a happier note, has anyone else
turned in their notice yet?

 

[Skyypimp]

Kerry = Looser????

There you go ChrisEMB145. Just look at the title.

I agree with Belchfire. Kerry supporters seem to be the only type we can attract these days . =P People who dont care if things change 5-6 times a day. HA HA.

Crizz. . . Sometimes they do have a contract. I am sure the company will put the contract back in as a condition for employment. Like Belchfire said. Folks are coming here with no 121 exp and after 100 hrs *POOF* They are gone like a fart in the wind. I Hope eveyone who is contacted by the union gives a head nod to have some sort of representation.

$28.00/hr to teach someone to fly is a bit low in my opinion. But the sad fact remains that this "STACK" of resume's on the HR Director's desk, is full of people qualified to fly this plane but would never accept the pay. So the only alternative is to turn to MTSU and get some kid just out of flight school to fly in the right seat. (NO OFFENSE TO PEOPLE FROM MTSU) BUT In the past 4 1/2 years of flying here I have had to take the aircraft from 3 FO's and Those 3 times have been in the past 3 month. One of the takeovers was an FO who decided to dive for the MAP while in HARD IMC when he figured out where he was. My paycheck is not big enough to babysit someone who has only flown a C152, in that reguard, I agree with Belchfire. IF the company puts up more money on the table Or at the least gives us our SERVICE/LONGEVITY pay then I am sure the captains of CEA will stop alot of the bitching that goes on there in the crew room.

So did Stan really hear from CHQ???? I have not talked to him in a few days and was just wondering.

 

[Skyypimp]

add to previous post

And while im in a ranting mood........

I sincerely hope that management reads these posts. Are you guys out there .. Lurking in the shadows .. Trying to figure out who is who on Fltinfo??? Instead of wasting time why dont you get back to work and grow this company. Instead of bitching about wearing hats or what type of jacket we can wear, so that we dont piss off our ONE AND ONLY code share, why dont you Fix the Mel's ... Buy some parts ... Wash the planes so that we dont look like A$$holes when folks come out to board the A/C. If Trans States can wash their aircraft why cant we? You people down in MQY can keep your heads burried in the sand all day long but the Pax's?, they notice and we hear it. Why dont you spend some time puting some PRIDE back into this company. Give us a reason to want to come to work. Take care of the people that work for you. And do we really need an assistant chief pilot for 50 people??? Why not get up out of your chairs and show your face in the crew room once in a while and finally answer some of the questions that you have failed to answer in the past?

This is not a FLAME post... Just the end of the line

 

[BoilerUP]

Yeah what Chris said, because we all know John Kerry is the savior of the airline pilot profession, just because he's "pro-labor"

Just because you refuse to cross a picket line of workers in Boston doesn't mean you are the best friend of the aviation profession. Anybody remember the prez who kept the APA from striking? 'nuff said.

Now back to the thread at hand....hey Belch, if you babysit this 700-hour wonder in the jetpig i'll buy the beer on the UIN overnights, deal?

 

[gear_guy]

"My paycheck is not big enough to babysit someone who has only flown a C152."

I am not trying to be negative here....I promise I'm not. But what prior aircraft experience does make you qualified to fly a J32 for $17/ hour. Maybe a whopping dutchess or even a seneca. I mean these guys have to get a start just like you did not so long ago. Nobody expects you to babysit anyone, but that is kinda our job. I find myself babysitting some captains I fly with. On one handI do see your point. But let's keep this about management. Because honestly, you're not gonna get 777 captains applying to fly jetstreams. It's an entry level job. I made more than $17/hr as a cfi 6 years ago. They are hiring low time pilots into most every regional. Yes, even to fly the dreaded turbo-jet aircraft. And yes, some with only piston time in their logbooks. If you can't handle training your f/o then you are really in the wrong industry. Even the mainline capts help train their f/o's. There is a reason an ATP pilot can instruct in any airplane he is type rated in. Just my opinion. I have been wrong before.

 

[jyz737]

of Future President Kerry. !

Does anyone kow if Air Canada is hiringing?

Now Chris think about it like this: would you rather have someone in office that made his money honestly, from Daddy. Or have someone that took advantage of a so-called friends death and married his wife has his money and lives in his house???? Since you and I know we cant discuss thing like this all I will say is "You started it"

But on a more fun note my time here is DONE. I feel sorry for all ya'll fu@#er's left in the pig for the summer. I will be thinking of ya'll while I am flying over the pretty waters.


JET PIGS UNITE!!!!!

 

[belchfire]

ChrisJ32..."political shortsightedness" like a gun owner
supporting a canidate and party that are anti gun?

Crizz...I was one of the guys that had no turbine time
when I came here. Elsewise, with the hiring that was
going on in 2000 I never would have signed up for this
gig.

The problem I see coming is with people who have never done
anything with an airplane outside of instructing for a few hundred
hours. Not that they are all bad, a few have relative easy
making the transition. But I would much rather be paired with
someone that has been hauling checks in a baron or aerostar
because that kind of experience really builds airmanship
(or weeds you out of the gene pool).

have fun!

 

[Propsync]

Wow, five pages for Corporate Airlines!!!!


Can we get back to PFT'ers and the great race to the bottom?

 

[Propsync]

And I made it SIX!!!!!!!

 

[BoilerUP]

Chris,

I disagree with you on two points. First, after strict gun control laws were enacted in both Austrailia (sp) and England, violent crime went UP. Not so much shootings, but more beatings and stabbings. This is documented in statistics that have been presented by people with more time in academia than I have been alive, and are easily found on the net. I think John Lott mentions them in his books. And it is a sad day when you or anybody else is willing to give up a freedom that was paid for in the blood of our forefathers. You giving up your gun is not going to lower crime and is not going to make this country better. Please tell me you understand this. Remember, Ben Franklin said "Those who give up freedom for safety deserve neither."

TWO, "Anybody But Bush!" is a pretty ignorant way to elect a President. If you support Kerry, thats fine; but saying "I'm voting for anybody but Bush" sends a pretty crappy message. I don't think Bush has done a bad job, certainly not the best, but far better than I think Gore would have done. If you think Kerry would be the best President for you, your job, your family and your country, by all means vote your conscience - but I don't think he is. Kerry is running his entire campaign so far on not what he would have done different from Bush, or what he will do different from Bush, but simply that he isn't Bush. That quietly speaks volumes about him and the entire left, and as a voter, leaves me unconvinced.

The great thing about this country is the freedom to hold all sorts of views, no matter how un-PC or wacko people think they might be (and that goes for both dems and repubs). I might not agree with what fatass Michael Moore puts in his propaganda films, but I smile when I remember a gun, violence, and some poor broke kid from New York or the Midwest is what gave him the freedom to believe all that crap he spews forth into the world.