Contract Pay

[Fblowjets]

I have been given the task to come up with a 2 tier pay scale for our contract SIC pilots on our BE350. We are single pilot typed but the insurance is cheaper if we fly as a crew.
The pilots are not SIC "typed" and I will be doing their training. These are low time guys (this is the biggest plane they have flown). So the president wants me to come up with a daily rate and an hourly rate for said pilots. I know its a daily rate for us regardless of the flight, but he wants it that way. If the pilots were typed, the pay would be huge, but where do go with a non-typed, low time guy?

Daily $300
Hourly $55.00

Just a guess based on what I have seen....... Any info would be nice.

Thanks
Fblowjets

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I have been given the task to come up with a 2 tier pay scale for our contract SIC pilots on our BE350. We are single pilot typed but the insurance is cheaper if we fly as a crew.
The pilots are not SIC "typed" and I will be doing their training. These are low time guys (this is the biggest plane they have flown). So the president wants me to come up with a daily rate and an hourly rate for said pilots. I know its a daily rate for us regardless of the flight, but he wants it that way. If the pilots were typed, the pay would be huge, but where do go with a non-typed, low time guy?

Daily $300
Hourly $55.00

Just a guess based on what I have seen....... Any info would be nice.

Thanks
Fblowjets

a non typed, low time SIC guy in a single pilot airplane?

$300 a day sounds fine to me!

By low time (and you have 3200hrs) Im guessing you may hire CFI type guys?

Sounds like a good opportunity for them.

 

[cheyflyer]

We are single pilot typed but the insurance is cheaper if we fly as a crew.
Fblowjets

I have heard this before and do not get it. We just bought a 350 this past spring. I did not have a single minute of 350 time, requested a quote for both.. single pilot vs crew.... the difference was $800.... per year!!

FWIW... I take a guy along on occasion if available and pay 250/day + expenses.

 

[AbOvo]

Eight years ago I was getting $250/day +expenses for right seat in a B200 in the Pacific Northwest as a data point for you.

 

[Catfsh]

Pay

$300 per day is fair for what your getting. I'm assuming that this includes any expenses also.

 

[Fblowjets]

CheyFlyer, you could be right in your case. My company is carrying way more insurance then one could possibly need.(probably cause we picked it up from ICT of the factory floor less then a year ago.) Plus our ops manual requires 2 pilots. Thanks

Gulfstream 200, thanks for input, Yes I am looking at CFI's. Why include my flightinfo times in the answer? DUDE get over yourself, these times are 2 years out of date...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

CheyFlyer, you could be right in your case. My company is carrying way more insurance then one could possibly need.(probably cause we picked it up from ICT of the factory floor less then a year ago.) Plus our ops manual requires 2 pilots. Thanks

Gulfstream 200, thanks for input, Yes I am looking at CFI's. Why include my flightinfo times in the answer? DUDE get over yourself, these times are 2 years out of date...

"DUDE"..

How are we supposed to know that?

For a 3200hr guy to be looking at "lower time" guys meant 1000hr/CFI types to me! - DUDE.

Thats why I said it sounds like a good opportunity for newer guys.

Dude.

 

[spg2bmd]

Sweet.

 

[AA717driver]

Hummm... That reminds me, my FI flight time is out of date.

Thanks! TC

 

[XTW]

There's times on here? I'll have to find that!


X



PS There, got it done.

 

[Fblowjets]

Dude!!!

 

[mrebuck]

Where's my car?

 

[kingairyahoo]

Why include my flightinfo times in the answer? DUDE get over yourself, these times are 2 years out of date...

...because its a huge part of the equation, if you wanna admit it or not. as chey mentioned, the insurance diff is not that great, no matter how much you think you are carrying. its all based on experience, which is directly linked to flight time. moral of the story...if the diff is that great, you either need to A) find a different underwriter or B) get some more flight time

other than that, 300 a day sounds great for the young yahoos...

 

[Fblowjets]

The original question is about pay... The insurance is something I have been round and round with several underwriters, Its not about MY time or my co-captains time. We have an owner pilot as well. With that thrown in the mix.....nuff said. its just a 350...

Thanks for your input, I think $300 a day will work.

 

[Johnlp3]

You aren't in the DFW area, are you?

 

[Fblowjets]

No sorry, not in the DFW area.

 

[kingairyahoo]

...its just a 350...

LOL...that quote cracks me up.

when you go to Flightsafety single-pilot, they will tell you on day one..."Welcome to the hardest type ride of any currently produced airplane"...but hey, its just a 350 :laugh:

 

[Fblowjets]

We heard the same thing. Great airplane, this proline 21 is nice. Just waiting on the WAAS software to come out.

 

[JFReservist]

Typed PIC?

What would be an average PIC (obviously typed) daily rate? Are there two different scales?

One scale with training paid (recurrent, etc.)?

One scale pure daily rate, no paid training.

 

[msw]

......when you go to Flightsafety single-pilot, they will tell you on day one..."Welcome to the hardest type ride of any currently produced airplane"...but hey, its just a 350 :laugh:

I heard the same thing at FSI. I only have two Type Ratings, the BE-30 and the G-IV. Interestingly, I found my BE-300 single pilot Type Ride to be a tougher (actually, "busier" is probably a more accurate description) Type Ride than the G-IV, though the G-IV was a far more difficult airplane for me to learn, due to the complexity of the aircraft systems, FMS and Flight Guidance automation, procedures, etc.