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LOL. This is funny. We may be toast. Maybe not. Either way is fine with me. But this sounds like 03 all over again. Many assume CAL doesn't want to merge because of UALs books. It could be that they didn't want to merge under the terms presented. But hey, UAL might suck but you CAL guys don't walk around acting like you're SWA, FDX, and UPS rolled into one now. The whole industry sucks. That would include your place too. Good luck and congrats on having management that has wanted to run an airline for the past few.

Not wishing UAL any ill will. This is not entirely bad news for UAL, right? In fact, this should be bad news only for Tilton!! Any member of the UAL board who was willing to give this pi$$brain the benefit of the doubt on leadership should be ready to throw him out after this. Even if they are all his friends. He sucks!!

UAL was a great airline and likely will be again.
 
UAL will be just fine, in my eyes. The pilots will now stand up like the 2000 contract times. Pissed, pissed, pissed. We will all see them shine again. Signs saying "DUMP TILTON" should be out soon, I hope. He's been an embarrassment since they came out of bankruptcy. UAL pilots, it's up to you. Dump that guy loudly, and then maybe we all can yank Prater out and the world will be whole again! Alright fellas I'm off to the bar with my rose colored glasses on, but I'm happy!
 
Good news for Continental!

Any guesses when the hiring will start back up?
 
Continental Abandons Merger Talks With United

By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN and MICHELINE MAYNARD
Published: April 28, 2008
Continental Airlines said Sunday that it had abandoned merger talks with United Airlines and was planning to remain an independent carrier, a blow to lengthy efforts by United to find a merger partner.

Times Topics: Continental | UAL | Air Travel
Continental’s decision, announced by the airline Sunday afternoon, will change the complex game of musical chairs that the airline industry is playing after the merger announcement last week by Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines.
Continental’s move was a stunning development for United’s parent, UAL, which had been negotiating in expectation of reaching a deal by late this week. As recently as Friday, it looked as though Continental, based in Houston, and United, based outside Chicago, were on the way to reaching a merger agreement.

Continental decided to drop the discussions after UAL announced worse-than-expected earnings, which sent shares falling last week. On Tuesday, United said it lost $537 million during the first quarter, on sharply higher costs for jet fuel. The airline, which spent more than three years under bankruptcy protection earlier this decade, said it would cut flights and eliminate a further 1,000 jobs. Directors at Continental, who met Sunday afternoon, feared that a merger with United could put their company in peril.


Continental, which had been expected to take management responsibilities in a deal with United, survived two bankruptcy filings of its own in the 1980s and 1990s, and has been considered one of the industry’s best-run carriers.

With the United-Continental deal scrapped, a new set of pairings is likely to take place. UAL is expected to push to reach a deal with US Airways, with which it had also been discussing a merger, people involved in the talks said.

In a statement, United's chief executive, Glenn F. Tilton, said on Sunday night: "Consolidation is under way.

Ensuring you have the right partner is everything. We will pursue all options to ensure a strong, sustainable future for our airline and will not shy away from the touch choices necessary to create value for our shareholders and benefit our employees and customers."

Meanwhile, Continental is expected to press ahead with preliminary talks to create a three-way alliance — short of a full merger — with American Airlines and British Airways.

In a letter to Continental employees, Lawrence W. Kellner, the airline’s chief executive, and Jeffery A. Smisek, its president, wrote: “The board very carefully considered all the risks and benefits of a merger with another airline, and determined that the risks of a merger at this time outweigh the potential rewards, as compared to Continental’s prospects on a stand-alone basis.”

They said they worried a deal would put company’s operational and financial strengths “at risk.” They also hinted at forming a new alliance, saying, “We are considering alternatives to SkyTeam” — an alliance with Delta and Northwest — “as we carefully evaluate which major global alliance will be best for Continental over the long term.”

The executives did not mention American or British Airways. The two sides had agreed on several issues in their talks. Mr. Kellner would have run the combined company, while United’s chief executive, Mr. Tilton, would have stepped away from day-to-day operations.

Mr. Tilton had advocated strongly for industry consolidation, saying it was the only solution to help the struggling airlines become consistently profitable. US Airways’ chief executive, W. Douglas Parker, has also pushed for consolidation, making an unsuccessful hostile bid last year for Delta before it emerged from bankruptcy protection.

Mr. Kellner, in his letter, at least seemed sympathetic to the industry’s plight, telling employees, “Every U.S. carrier, including Continental, is under enormous pressure from record high fuel prices, a slowing U.S. economy and a weak dollar.”

United’s stock closed at $21.43 on Monday. That evening, Delta and Northwest announced their merger plans. On Tuesday, United’s shares closed below $14. They ended the week at $15.21, off 29 percent for the week.

On Tuesday, United’s chief financial officer, Frederic F. Brace, said repeatedly that the airline was in compliance with the covenants of its bank agreements. But, Mr. Brace added, “With the recent spike in fuel prices and the softening economy the trajectory of our covenant coverage is downward.” Because of steps the airline was taking to cut costs, he said, “it’s really very difficult to predict whether we will have an issue or not.”

On Wednesday, after the sharp drop in its stock, United issued a statement saying that it was in compliance with the terms of deals governing its credit arrangements with banks, including JPMorgan Chase, Citibank and Credit Suisse.

Analysts said the situation created doubt about United’s health, an issue that has hovered around United since it emerged from bankruptcy protection in early 2006. That concern was a reason talks between Delta and United, which took place while Delta was under bankruptcy protection earlier this decade, never gained traction.

Meanwhile, Continental’s next steps are far from clear. Although it planned to pursue discussions with American about joining its alliance with British Airways, the corporate cultures of Continental and American differ significantly. American, as the nation’s biggest airline until the Delta-Northwest deal is completed, is likely to want to dictate the terms under which the much-smaller Continental comes on board.

At the same time, Continental’s membership in the SkyTeam alliance could offer much greater reach than a deal with American and British Airways. The new Delta will be bigger than American, and other members in SkyTeam include KLM and Air France, which have a broader base than American and British Airways across Europe and the rest of the world.

Meanwhile, in a further sign of the industry's problems, Eos Airlines, a business-class carrier, said Sunday that it had filed bankrupcy protection and ceased flying. Eos said it filed for Chapter 11 protection in New York on Saturday. Eos offered business class flights between New York's JFK Airport and Stanstead Airport in London. It was the latest in a series of small airlines to file for bankruptcy protection in the last few weeks.
Eos made its final flights from London to New York on Sunday, and canceled flights in the opposite direction. It began flying in 2005.
 
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I can't believe how pathetic the board of directors/President/Vice Presidents/Manager's are. There should be a complete be-heading of that group Monday morning. That company is ONLY as good as those people. The pilots/FA's/Mechanics can't run the office too!

How does this happen, and that IDIOT will get some bonus!
 
I am very happy CAL is staying Independent for now.
We gave up so much much over the years to lose our indentity.
Best wishes for the UAL people.

Time to breakout a special bottle of Brunello from my
last Rome trip.

;)
 
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reminds me of Midway Airlines...once NWA backed away from their purchase - they were toast.
 
Any guessing what UAL's stock will do tommorow?

Can you short sell in the premarket? Our stock will be sub 10 bucks by 11edt. Too bad that won't be bad enough for the Board to dump Tilton. He needs to become sick. Like, very sick. Comatose like.

Funny thing is, we all know he doesn't give a F about us but he does have an ego and his ego can't be doing too well right now. The MFr has no idea what he's doing. By the way, UAL is the only major airline that hasn't announced RJ reductions. Guess he hasn't figured out RJ economics and fee per departure stuff yet.

We here at UAL know UAL still exist in spite of it's management. Not because of it. We'll see how much longer that can last. We'll help it get to the Abyss gleefully. The sooner the better.
 
Yes you can sell short in the morning starting at 8am Eastern. I already spoke with Chuck this morning about it. You have to name your price but otherwise it's about the same as the normal market. Anybody have $5k to loan me?
 
LOL. This is funny. We may be toast. Maybe not. Either way is fine with me. But this sounds like 03 all over again. Many assume CAL doesn't want to merge because of UALs books. It could be that they didn't want to merge under the terms presented. But hey, UAL might suck but you CAL guys don't walk around acting like you're SWA, FDX, and UPS rolled into one now. The whole industry sucks. That would include your place too. Good luck and congrats on having management that has wanted to run an airline for the past few.

Well said.

The "celebration" may be short lived. This was most likely the best of several choices. None of which have guaranteed sucess or an easy road ahead.

I'm pleased that we appear to not be merging with United but what we face "going it alone" doesn't seem to be a smooth straight road. Hopefully there are more promising details to come over the next few months.
 
I wonder if this means the new plan at CAL is max expansion? Maybe the May system bid won't be as flat as everyone says. Things change fast.

That would be an even bigger shocker than this announcement. Where would the widebodies come from?
 
Larry K. says that CAL isn't going to merge, so I bet that is because CAL is going to be acquired by American. Ouch.

At least with United the CAL pilots had a chance to get a good deal out of it. With American, I think they will probably gobble CAL up.

But maybe that's just me. LOL
 
Larry K. says that CAL isn't going to merge, so I bet that is because CAL is going to be acquired by American. Ouch.

At least with United the CAL pilots had a chance to get a good deal out of it. With American, I think they will probably gobble CAL up.

But maybe that's just me. LOL

Man Pokehole, you sure are clueless. Guess that's what happens when you choose to stay stuck at the commuters
 
UAL's BoD needs to get rid of Tilton and get a good CEO. CAL is making the right decision and US is more than likely going to remain alone as well.
 
Larry K. says that CAL isn't going to merge, so I bet that is because CAL is going to be acquired by American. Ouch.

At least with United the CAL pilots had a chance to get a good deal out of it. With American, I think they will probably gobble CAL up.

But maybe that's just me. LOL

She couldnt have thought of something so intellectually insightful. Her husband told her what to say.
 
Larry K. says that CAL isn't going to merge, so I bet that is because CAL is going to be acquired by American. Ouch.

At least with United the CAL pilots had a chance to get a good deal out of it. With American, I think they will probably gobble CAL up.

But maybe that's just me. LOL

HUH!!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Its the weekend, do you know where your mgmnt is?

What I find interesting is the release of this memorandum on a Sunday. I would infer that means the management teams of UAL and CAL were working over this past weekend to finalize a deal. That the 'merger' didn't occur is startling and would lead one to think that the strategic marketing alliance with AMR is in the offing.

I would like someone's insight on the AMR/CAL alliance; specifically how this helps either party very much. It would seem to me the two carriers overlap each other a great deal, and neither helps with the pacific shortcomings of both carriers.

As for the failed merger with UAL, I would presume that the merger with USair is far along enough that we (CAL) were no longer desirable to UAL or the economics of UAL seemed to risky to CAL management.

Given AMR's lack of aircraft orders and our significant orders on delivery, as a former TWA pilot, I find getting in bed with AA a bit nerve racking. Either way, interesting times.
 
The CAL/AA alliance is to divide up whats left after either a UAL/US merge when its a failure or a UA failure before they find a dance partner.

"One less airline can make a difference" - UAL flight bag sticker referring to CAL circa 1990.

History IS funny like that.;)
 
What I find interesting is the release of this memorandum on a Sunday. I would infer that means the management teams of UAL and CAL were working over this past weekend to finalize a deal. That the 'merger' didn't occur is startling and would lead one to think that the strategic marketing alliance with AMR is in the offing.

I would like someone's insight on the AMR/CAL alliance; specifically how this helps either party very much. It would seem to me the two carriers overlap each other a great deal, and neither helps with the pacific shortcomings of both carriers.

As for the failed merger with UAL, I would presume that the merger with USair is far along enough that we (CAL) were no longer desirable to UAL or the economics of UAL seemed to risky to CAL management.

Given AMR's lack of aircraft orders and our significant orders on delivery, as a former TWA pilot, I find getting in bed with AA a bit nerve racking. Either way, interesting times.


I was thinking the same thing. It appears to be more of mass than making up for areas each airline is deficient in.

However I think CAL ALPA and APA should get together now and discuss what this might mean....



Respectfully,
AAflyer
 
What I find interesting is the release of this memorandum on a Sunday. I would infer that means the management teams of UAL and CAL were working over this past weekend to finalize a deal. That the 'merger' didn't occur is startling and would lead one to think that the strategic marketing alliance with AMR is in the offing.

I would like someone's insight on the AMR/CAL alliance; specifically how this helps either party very much. It would seem to me the two carriers overlap each other a great deal, and neither helps with the pacific shortcomings of both carriers.

As for the failed merger with UAL, I would presume that the merger with USair is far along enough that we (CAL) were no longer desirable to UAL or the economics of UAL seemed to risky to CAL management.

Given AMR's lack of aircraft orders and our significant orders on delivery, as a former TWA pilot, I find getting in bed with AA a bit nerve racking. Either way, interesting times.

I don't know too much, but...

In 98 or so DAL and NWA were close to buying [essentially] CAL. The deal with NWA is the one that went thru and the plan was an enhanced code share affiliation. Both airlines were to stay separate, make a lot of money and both could grow. It required DOJ approval and they DECLINED to approve it!! I think [hope] that's the plan in this case because that would be good. BA, AA and CAL all do our thing and sharing revenue-- a good thing!!

I'm SICK of interesting times!! I'm going to write my own proverb: "May you fly in boring times"

Edit: It was the fact that NWA already had the KLM deal that squelched the code share. This deal with AA and BA accomplishes the same thing. It's supposed to make big money.
 
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The CAL/AA alliance is to divide up whats left after either a UAL/US merge when its a failure or a UA failure before they find a dance partner.



History IS funny like that.;)

Aye. Be careful what you wish for.
 
Is anybody watching CNBC right now?? David Faber just reported that Tilton agreed to leave entirely and Kellner STILL said no!! Holy Crap!! Sorry UAL guys/gals. Maybe this will be sufficient to remove him on your own.
 
Just a theory.

Just why would CAL expend so much time and energy and money to put together a deal with United and then pull out when we thought the deal was closed?

Perhaps it sounds reminiscent of Delta's initial refusal to consider a merger with Northwest. When Northwest first made ovations to consolidate with DAL, Delta said very publicly that they would be better off as stand lone carrier. But as we all know a deal was finally struck...even a deal with those pesky pilots.

Now it seems Continental is just trying to sweeten the deal for themselves. They bait the hook and Glenn, being the stupid trout that he is, bit down hard. Then it comes time to sign on the dotted line and CAL changes their mind. Hmmm...

Let's not forget where Continental came from. This is a very familiar Lorenzo tactic. That is to say; Strike a great deal, get ready to shake hands and then change your mind because you can always ask for more. Continental is not going to let us into their pants unless we promise to marry them and buy them a big house. That means we give up a lot. And since Glenn can't play poker without showing his hand to everyone at the table, CAL thinks we have more to give. They are certianly not wrong about this.

The panic now showing among our employee groups is just what Continental wants to see. We are desperate and they think that our only other choice is USAir. Which of course, would be like marrying Brittany Spears. We get scared. Investors get scared and the bankers get pissed. Collective pressure is now put on Glenn and our union to soften our position to get a Continental deal done...since USAir will mean a quick (but painful) death.

Glenn has shown his cards and his rather well compensated ass to everyone. Continental is just going to prove that it is all too easy to fleece a moron. In fact, they can probably be excused for disbelieving their own luck.
 
Holy crap I laughed, I'll laugh even harder if this thing does go through. That's so funny it reads almost as a script. Excellent job blowing off the fog! Thanks for the laugh! Either way Tilton should be booted this week. He's no good.
 
Is anybody watching CNBC right now?? David Faber just reported that Tilton agreed to leave entirely and Kellner STILL said no!! Holy Crap!! Sorry UAL guys/gals. Maybe this will be sufficient to remove him on your own.


I saw that on CNBC. Also said Tilton was blindsided by CALs decision. Pretty funny. Hopefully Wall Street will continue to see that Tilton is out of his league when it comes to managing an airline.
 

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