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Continental Airlines Chooses Not to Merge
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IAHERJ
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You make an excellent point but the CAL guys aren't the ones on here bashing UAL if you look closely. UAL is still an international powerhouse and if they could just find people who want to run an airline the possibilities could be endless.
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Sonny Crockett
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Best post I have read on FI yet to date.
It's UAL management stupid! NOT THE PILOTS, AIRPLANES, ROUTES, ETC......Our leader Tilton is the worst CEO ever! Maybe the UAL board will wake up and smell the coffee? FIRE TILTON!
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wings421
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I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd imagine that mainline AA and CO departures out of DFW and IAH are a lot more than DALs CVG and NWAs DTW. CVG isn't a very big mainline airport for Delta and is shrinking the RJ capacity with CHQ there when they remove the 135s.
continental brought themselves back from the dead at least twice, and it is really good to see them doing so well. I hope they continue to prosper after having texas air buy them and lorenzo doing his best to destroy them. it took a long time, but keep up that excellent service and you will be fine. good luck, continental.
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Yeah, I think they will get together at some point (their CEO's are the most verbal on consolidation). The only way they could survive together or alone with $100 oil is lots of plastic surgery with the blessing of the Feds. Better start sharpening the scapal now, as the window will close quickly.
imp:I wonder if this had anything to do with it
Statement by the Union Coalition at United Airlines Regarding Possible Airline Industry Consolidation Involving United Airlines
April 15, 2008
"United CEO Glenn Tilton's dream of finding a dance partner for our airline appears, by most accounts, closer to becoming a reality."Mr. Tilton and his executives need a reminder concerning any merger or consolidation scenario that involves our airline.
Unlike bankruptcy, when Tilton and his minions exploited U.S. Bankruptcy laws to squeeze every penny it could from its employees, a merger would require United executives to address employee concerns if it is to succeed."Mr. Tilton can no longer hide behind the robes of a bankruptcy judge to get what he wants from labor. Those days ended once United exited bankruptcy.
Management now faces a group empowered by unity and a common determination of regaining what was taken from us under the guise of duress. CEO Glenn Tilton and his executives have helped themselves to millions of dollars of stock options, bonuses, pay raises and dividends without any regard to their employees or passengers. Management's self-serving approach to running this airline must end."We are firmly entrenched at the consolidation table.
The road to any consolidation involving United Airlines must pass through labor. And traveling that road requires a hefty toll."United Airlines exists today only due to the sacrifices and sweat equity the employees have invested, not from any heroic efforts of Glenn Tilton and his executives."Today, their honeymoon is over. It is now our turn to have a say in the future and direction of our airline. If the current management at United expects our cooperation in any consolidation or merger action, they must address our needs.
The Union Coalition at United Airlines, representing unionized employees, has had enough of Mr. Tilton and his executives lining their pockets at the expense of their employees and of management's lack of permanent interest in the company they pretend to serve."Together, we will reclaim our careers and our collective future. The road toward a successful merger or consolidation involving United Airlines goes through its unions.
Unless our concerns are met; unless we are extended the respect we've earned and are provided the future we so richly deserve, Mr. Tilton's merger dreams will remain just that."
The Union Coalition at United represents more than 48,900 United employees.
Signed,
Statement by the Union Coalition at United Airlines Regarding Possible Airline Industry Consolidation Involving United Airlines
April 15, 2008
"United CEO Glenn Tilton's dream of finding a dance partner for our airline appears, by most accounts, closer to becoming a reality."Mr. Tilton and his executives need a reminder concerning any merger or consolidation scenario that involves our airline.
Unlike bankruptcy, when Tilton and his minions exploited U.S. Bankruptcy laws to squeeze every penny it could from its employees, a merger would require United executives to address employee concerns if it is to succeed."Mr. Tilton can no longer hide behind the robes of a bankruptcy judge to get what he wants from labor. Those days ended once United exited bankruptcy.
Management now faces a group empowered by unity and a common determination of regaining what was taken from us under the guise of duress. CEO Glenn Tilton and his executives have helped themselves to millions of dollars of stock options, bonuses, pay raises and dividends without any regard to their employees or passengers. Management's self-serving approach to running this airline must end."We are firmly entrenched at the consolidation table.
The road to any consolidation involving United Airlines must pass through labor. And traveling that road requires a hefty toll."United Airlines exists today only due to the sacrifices and sweat equity the employees have invested, not from any heroic efforts of Glenn Tilton and his executives."Today, their honeymoon is over. It is now our turn to have a say in the future and direction of our airline. If the current management at United expects our cooperation in any consolidation or merger action, they must address our needs.
The Union Coalition at United Airlines, representing unionized employees, has had enough of Mr. Tilton and his executives lining their pockets at the expense of their employees and of management's lack of permanent interest in the company they pretend to serve."Together, we will reclaim our careers and our collective future. The road toward a successful merger or consolidation involving United Airlines goes through its unions.
Unless our concerns are met; unless we are extended the respect we've earned and are provided the future we so richly deserve, Mr. Tilton's merger dreams will remain just that."
The Union Coalition at United represents more than 48,900 United employees.
Signed,
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Not wishing UAL any ill will. This is not entirely bad news for UAL, right? In fact, this should be bad news only for Tilton!! Any member of the UAL board who was willing to give this pi$$brain the benefit of the doubt on leadership should be ready to throw him out after this. Even if they are all his friends. He sucks!!
UAL was a great airline and likely will be again.
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UAL will be just fine, in my eyes. The pilots will now stand up like the 2000 contract times. Pissed, pissed, pissed. We will all see them shine again. Signs saying "DUMP TILTON" should be out soon, I hope. He's been an embarrassment since they came out of bankruptcy. UAL pilots, it's up to you. Dump that guy loudly, and then maybe we all can yank Prater out and the world will be whole again! Alright fellas I'm off to the bar with my rose colored glasses on, but I'm happy!
Sonny Crockett
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It's going down FASTER then a Baron full of Doctors!
Just a recap of Tilton and a string of bad management the last time UAL was taken into BK. Warning....you will get pissed if you watch this to the end.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retirement/view/2_hi.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retirement/view/2_hi.html
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Continental Abandons Merger Talks With United
By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN and MICHELINE MAYNARD
Published: April 28, 2008
Continental Airlines said Sunday that it had abandoned merger talks with United Airlines and was planning to remain an independent carrier, a blow to lengthy efforts by United to find a merger partner.
Times Topics: Continental | UAL | Air Travel
Continental’s decision, announced by the airline Sunday afternoon, will change the complex game of musical chairs that the airline industry is playing after the merger announcement last week by Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines.
Continental’s move was a stunning development for United’s parent, UAL, which had been negotiating in expectation of reaching a deal by late this week. As recently as Friday, it looked as though Continental, based in Houston, and United, based outside Chicago, were on the way to reaching a merger agreement.
Continental decided to drop the discussions after UAL announced worse-than-expected earnings, which sent shares falling last week. On Tuesday, United said it lost $537 million during the first quarter, on sharply higher costs for jet fuel. The airline, which spent more than three years under bankruptcy protection earlier this decade, said it would cut flights and eliminate a further 1,000 jobs. Directors at Continental, who met Sunday afternoon, feared that a merger with United could put their company in peril.
Continental, which had been expected to take management responsibilities in a deal with United, survived two bankruptcy filings of its own in the 1980s and 1990s, and has been considered one of the industry’s best-run carriers.
With the United-Continental deal scrapped, a new set of pairings is likely to take place. UAL is expected to push to reach a deal with US Airways, with which it had also been discussing a merger, people involved in the talks said.
In a statement, United's chief executive, Glenn F. Tilton, said on Sunday night: "Consolidation is under way.
Ensuring you have the right partner is everything. We will pursue all options to ensure a strong, sustainable future for our airline and will not shy away from the touch choices necessary to create value for our shareholders and benefit our employees and customers."
Meanwhile, Continental is expected to press ahead with preliminary talks to create a three-way alliance — short of a full merger — with American Airlines and British Airways.
In a letter to Continental employees, Lawrence W. Kellner, the airline’s chief executive, and Jeffery A. Smisek, its president, wrote: “The board very carefully considered all the risks and benefits of a merger with another airline, and determined that the risks of a merger at this time outweigh the potential rewards, as compared to Continental’s prospects on a stand-alone basis.”
They said they worried a deal would put company’s operational and financial strengths “at risk.” They also hinted at forming a new alliance, saying, “We are considering alternatives to SkyTeam” — an alliance with Delta and Northwest — “as we carefully evaluate which major global alliance will be best for Continental over the long term.”
The executives did not mention American or British Airways. The two sides had agreed on several issues in their talks. Mr. Kellner would have run the combined company, while United’s chief executive, Mr. Tilton, would have stepped away from day-to-day operations.
Mr. Tilton had advocated strongly for industry consolidation, saying it was the only solution to help the struggling airlines become consistently profitable. US Airways’ chief executive, W. Douglas Parker, has also pushed for consolidation, making an unsuccessful hostile bid last year for Delta before it emerged from bankruptcy protection.
Mr. Kellner, in his letter, at least seemed sympathetic to the industry’s plight, telling employees, “Every U.S. carrier, including Continental, is under enormous pressure from record high fuel prices, a slowing U.S. economy and a weak dollar.”
United’s stock closed at $21.43 on Monday. That evening, Delta and Northwest announced their merger plans. On Tuesday, United’s shares closed below $14. They ended the week at $15.21, off 29 percent for the week.
On Tuesday, United’s chief financial officer, Frederic F. Brace, said repeatedly that the airline was in compliance with the covenants of its bank agreements. But, Mr. Brace added, “With the recent spike in fuel prices and the softening economy the trajectory of our covenant coverage is downward.” Because of steps the airline was taking to cut costs, he said, “it’s really very difficult to predict whether we will have an issue or not.”
On Wednesday, after the sharp drop in its stock, United issued a statement saying that it was in compliance with the terms of deals governing its credit arrangements with banks, including JPMorgan Chase, Citibank and Credit Suisse.
Analysts said the situation created doubt about United’s health, an issue that has hovered around United since it emerged from bankruptcy protection in early 2006. That concern was a reason talks between Delta and United, which took place while Delta was under bankruptcy protection earlier this decade, never gained traction.
Meanwhile, Continental’s next steps are far from clear. Although it planned to pursue discussions with American about joining its alliance with British Airways, the corporate cultures of Continental and American differ significantly. American, as the nation’s biggest airline until the Delta-Northwest deal is completed, is likely to want to dictate the terms under which the much-smaller Continental comes on board.
At the same time, Continental’s membership in the SkyTeam alliance could offer much greater reach than a deal with American and British Airways. The new Delta will be bigger than American, and other members in SkyTeam include KLM and Air France, which have a broader base than American and British Airways across Europe and the rest of the world.
Meanwhile, in a further sign of the industry's problems, Eos Airlines, a business-class carrier, said Sunday that it had filed bankrupcy protection and ceased flying. Eos said it filed for Chapter 11 protection in New York on Saturday. Eos offered business class flights between New York's JFK Airport and Stanstead Airport in London. It was the latest in a series of small airlines to file for bankruptcy protection in the last few weeks.
Eos made its final flights from London to New York on Sunday, and canceled flights in the opposite direction. It began flying in 2005.
By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN and MICHELINE MAYNARD
Published: April 28, 2008
Continental Airlines said Sunday that it had abandoned merger talks with United Airlines and was planning to remain an independent carrier, a blow to lengthy efforts by United to find a merger partner.
Times Topics: Continental | UAL | Air Travel
Continental’s decision, announced by the airline Sunday afternoon, will change the complex game of musical chairs that the airline industry is playing after the merger announcement last week by Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines.
Continental’s move was a stunning development for United’s parent, UAL, which had been negotiating in expectation of reaching a deal by late this week. As recently as Friday, it looked as though Continental, based in Houston, and United, based outside Chicago, were on the way to reaching a merger agreement.
Continental decided to drop the discussions after UAL announced worse-than-expected earnings, which sent shares falling last week. On Tuesday, United said it lost $537 million during the first quarter, on sharply higher costs for jet fuel. The airline, which spent more than three years under bankruptcy protection earlier this decade, said it would cut flights and eliminate a further 1,000 jobs. Directors at Continental, who met Sunday afternoon, feared that a merger with United could put their company in peril.
Continental, which had been expected to take management responsibilities in a deal with United, survived two bankruptcy filings of its own in the 1980s and 1990s, and has been considered one of the industry’s best-run carriers.
With the United-Continental deal scrapped, a new set of pairings is likely to take place. UAL is expected to push to reach a deal with US Airways, with which it had also been discussing a merger, people involved in the talks said.
In a statement, United's chief executive, Glenn F. Tilton, said on Sunday night: "Consolidation is under way.
Ensuring you have the right partner is everything. We will pursue all options to ensure a strong, sustainable future for our airline and will not shy away from the touch choices necessary to create value for our shareholders and benefit our employees and customers."
Meanwhile, Continental is expected to press ahead with preliminary talks to create a three-way alliance — short of a full merger — with American Airlines and British Airways.
In a letter to Continental employees, Lawrence W. Kellner, the airline’s chief executive, and Jeffery A. Smisek, its president, wrote: “The board very carefully considered all the risks and benefits of a merger with another airline, and determined that the risks of a merger at this time outweigh the potential rewards, as compared to Continental’s prospects on a stand-alone basis.”
They said they worried a deal would put company’s operational and financial strengths “at risk.” They also hinted at forming a new alliance, saying, “We are considering alternatives to SkyTeam” — an alliance with Delta and Northwest — “as we carefully evaluate which major global alliance will be best for Continental over the long term.”
The executives did not mention American or British Airways. The two sides had agreed on several issues in their talks. Mr. Kellner would have run the combined company, while United’s chief executive, Mr. Tilton, would have stepped away from day-to-day operations.
Mr. Tilton had advocated strongly for industry consolidation, saying it was the only solution to help the struggling airlines become consistently profitable. US Airways’ chief executive, W. Douglas Parker, has also pushed for consolidation, making an unsuccessful hostile bid last year for Delta before it emerged from bankruptcy protection.
Mr. Kellner, in his letter, at least seemed sympathetic to the industry’s plight, telling employees, “Every U.S. carrier, including Continental, is under enormous pressure from record high fuel prices, a slowing U.S. economy and a weak dollar.”
United’s stock closed at $21.43 on Monday. That evening, Delta and Northwest announced their merger plans. On Tuesday, United’s shares closed below $14. They ended the week at $15.21, off 29 percent for the week.
On Tuesday, United’s chief financial officer, Frederic F. Brace, said repeatedly that the airline was in compliance with the covenants of its bank agreements. But, Mr. Brace added, “With the recent spike in fuel prices and the softening economy the trajectory of our covenant coverage is downward.” Because of steps the airline was taking to cut costs, he said, “it’s really very difficult to predict whether we will have an issue or not.”
On Wednesday, after the sharp drop in its stock, United issued a statement saying that it was in compliance with the terms of deals governing its credit arrangements with banks, including JPMorgan Chase, Citibank and Credit Suisse.
Analysts said the situation created doubt about United’s health, an issue that has hovered around United since it emerged from bankruptcy protection in early 2006. That concern was a reason talks between Delta and United, which took place while Delta was under bankruptcy protection earlier this decade, never gained traction.
Meanwhile, Continental’s next steps are far from clear. Although it planned to pursue discussions with American about joining its alliance with British Airways, the corporate cultures of Continental and American differ significantly. American, as the nation’s biggest airline until the Delta-Northwest deal is completed, is likely to want to dictate the terms under which the much-smaller Continental comes on board.
At the same time, Continental’s membership in the SkyTeam alliance could offer much greater reach than a deal with American and British Airways. The new Delta will be bigger than American, and other members in SkyTeam include KLM and Air France, which have a broader base than American and British Airways across Europe and the rest of the world.
Meanwhile, in a further sign of the industry's problems, Eos Airlines, a business-class carrier, said Sunday that it had filed bankrupcy protection and ceased flying. Eos said it filed for Chapter 11 protection in New York on Saturday. Eos offered business class flights between New York's JFK Airport and Stanstead Airport in London. It was the latest in a series of small airlines to file for bankruptcy protection in the last few weeks.
Eos made its final flights from London to New York on Sunday, and canceled flights in the opposite direction. It began flying in 2005.
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Jonny Sacko
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I can't believe how pathetic the board of directors/President/Vice Presidents/Manager's are. There should be a complete be-heading of that group Monday morning. That company is ONLY as good as those people. The pilots/FA's/Mechanics can't run the office too!
How does this happen, and that IDIOT will get some bonus!
How does this happen, and that IDIOT will get some bonus!
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