Conspiracy theories?

[bobbysamd]

Oswald the Capper

Oswald (at the time) worked as a gopher for Guy Bannister, a MSY private investigator. Bannister was running a free-Cuba militant group out of his office. Allegedly, Clay Shaw was funneling money to Bannister.

Oswald got the job there thanks to David Ferrie, the former Eastern guy I mentioned before, and another employee of Bannister's. Lee had been a cadet in Ferrie's Civil Air Patrol squadron, and Ferrie liked the kid, helped him find jobs, etc.

Thanks, man. Now I remember it all.

As a former CAP member and having worked with cadets, I find that Oswald's association with the organization, not to mention Ferrie's, makes for a dark moment in the organization's rich history.

 

[Timebuilder]

Oswald in the CAP? Now I just learned something.

"Sheesh!"

-Spider Man

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

I still have a hard time believing that the "mob" could get away with this without the blessings of the inner circle of government. There is no way the mob is bigger than the US government and all the guberment do is stand by and watch. If it were the "mob" the government would have made it public and not try to cover it up.
The Castro theory would be somewhat believable in that at the time we wouldn't go after Castro in that may have started WWIII.
Again, there are things that happen that defy logic and common sense. Think we all would be sickened if we really knew what was going on behind closed doors. Thank goodness for Ben and J'Lo to keep us distracted on the really important things in life.

 

[Timebuilder]

Ben and who?

 

[bobbysamd]

On the other hand . . . .

The Cuba theory works. Fidel Castro would have a vendetta because of Bay of Pigs. And, you had Lee Harvey Oswald parading around in his "Fair Play for Cuba" garb.

Anyone see the Peter Jennings special on ABC on Thursday night? Castro stated that it would have been folly for him to kill Mr. Kennedy as vendetta payback.

Good documentary, though.

I remember that I was in the seventh grade when Mr. Kennedy was shot. It was during lunch hour when some kid came out and said, "the President has been shot." I did not believe it. Then, I came home from school to see the TV on and Air Force One arriving from Dallas.

Where were you?

 

[enigma]

Re: On the other hand . . . .

Good documentary, though.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Please. Good documentary??????????????????????????

I always thought that a documentary contained documents. The Jennings piece was a typical, major media, piece of disinformation that documented NOTHING. It showed a cartoon that supposedly "proved" that the shots came from the book depository, and then went into showing that Oswald was a nut. Jennings stated that the cartoon was of type that would be admisable in a modern court because of the technology that made it. I say, "garbage in, garbage out". Here's why, the cartoon was based upon the Zapruder film, but we don 't know which version (of Zapruder) it was based on. Yes the film has a interesting history, and according to Robert Groden, the House Assasinations Committee's photo expert, it has been altered. As an aside, I wrote earlier that most everything we see about the whole topic is disinformation and I seriously believe that. Back to Zapruder, Abraham Zapruder gave the undeveloped film to the FBI almost immediately. The FBI drafted a local developing firm into an overnight development and allowed a select few to view the movie the next morning. One of those six happened to be Dan Rather of CBS news who was a New Orleans based regional CBS reporter at the time. Interestingly enough, even after seeing the original film, withing 18 hours of the event, Rather still reported an account contrary to what the film seems to show.

(I'm going off of twenty year memorys here on some details here, and I don't really have the time to re-research this issue, but I belive that most of this info was written by either, Harrison Livingston in a book named High Treason, or a book written by David Lifton named Best Evidence.)

The film was not publicly shown for about twenty years and then only pirated copies were shown. These copies apparently came from Robert Groden, like most other details of this case, the details are fuzzy. In a book he co-wrote, Groden claimed that the original was clear, but it would never be published. In his own book, written later, Groden implies that the frames he was publishing were the "clear" frames. They still look fuzzy to me.

Back to the specific topic, the film, as shown on television as of late, has serious flaws. One of which is that it no longer shows that the limo stopped. The Warren commission published the film frame by frame, but apparently published the frames out of order, so that a sequential viewing would show a forward head movement at the fatal shot (As reported by Rather). The moving picture version shows a rearward movement. The bottom line on Zapruder is that it is interesting, but until we see the original, undoctored, un-enhanced version, we won't know what it showed.

So, I say, gargabe in, garbage out. The Jennings cartoon was cool, but it is not based upon a known. Period. I also suspect, that the techinque used is considered valid, but only if based upon known bullet tracks. JFK's autopsy did NOT establish bullet tracks, that is a matter of record from everyone involved, therefore we and everone else, including the cartoon maker, is forced to speculate and infer.

If anyone has made it to here, I've got a new tidbit to pique your interest.

On KLIF570 this morning, the auto industry expert and news/talk show host Ed Wallace who is also a historian, reported that all of the eye witnesses to the murder of DPD officer JD Tippet stated that the murderer entered the library branch just down the street. When investigation officers reached the library, they were denied entry by men showing Secret Service badges. People, this is a matter of record. The Dallas Police report of the murder of officer Tippet contains this bit of info. The DPD responded to the officer down call at full speed, yet somehow, the SS beat them to the scene???? I think not. DPD investigator James Leavell, in charge of the Tippet investigation, when asked about the report of SS in the library, only said, "in 1963, everyone in the DPD knew what a legit FBI badge looked like". There's an answer in that statement. Ed Wallace concluded his history piece with this, "the murder of officer Tippet is still unsolved, when we prove who murdered Tippet, we will find JFK's killers". I tend to agree.

I remember that I was in the seventh grade when Mr. Kennedy was shot. It was during lunch hour when some kid came out and said, "the President has been shot." I did not believe it. Then, I came home from school to see the TV on and Air Force One arriving from Dallas.

Where were you?

I was 18 months old and living twenty miles north of Dealy Plaza on I35. My father worked in a building just south of Parkland hospital and watched the motorcade enter the hospital area.

regards,
enigma

 

[bobbysamd]

Jennings doc

You raise some points, Enigma, but the program held my interest. I felt that it addressed the major angles, such as Oswald acting alone, or not, and possible conspiracies.

Without a doubt, there are major inconsistencies about the assasination that may never be addressed. I still remember the live coverage in which Oswald stated that he didn't kill anyone. And, again, while I don't know anything about firearms, expert opinions about the near impossibility of firing the rounds from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle in the time stated are hard to ignore. It is also hard to believe that given his associations and background that Jack Ruby did not act on his own volition when he killed Oswald.

I think it was on NPR this morning when it was repeated that given the magnitude of the act that people still find it hard to believe that a pipsqueak like Oswald could have acted alone. Moreover, the Warren Report came out in less than a year after the assasination. If you consider that it took time to draft the report and put it in final form, the investigation had to have taken much less than a year. That could raise questions as to its credibility.

But, who knows??? Most of the major figures are dead now. It may never be known. People want closure on the assasination, but it may never come.

 

[Timebuilder]

...at least not in our lifetime.

 

[enigma]

and another thing

Another item/fact brought to light bt the House Assasinations Committee in the late 70's was that Oswald had a CIA 401 file. A 401 file is an operatives file. The file was empty when the committee received it.

I'm still not sure that a conspiracy was in place to commit the crime, but a media/government conspiracy certainly has been in place the last 40 years to convince the American people that Oswald was a "lone nut" assassin. How many know that J. Edgar Hoover was in the metroplex the night before the assassination?

regards,
enigma

 

[bobbysamd]

J. Edgar Hoover

How many know that J. Edgar Hoover was in the metroplex the night before the assassination?

Not to mention that Hoover had dirt on every President and always threatened to blackmail them with it if he didn't have his way.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Tonight, after sunset, I stood in the middle of Elm Street with my oldest son. And we looked up at the Texas School Book Depository. And the stockade fence. And Abraham Zapruder's concrete pedestal.

There just aren't any words to describe the feeling of being there...and knowing that there's so much more to the story than we've been told.

 

[vossdr1]

Kennedy

Does anyone know what the relationship between LBJ and J. Edgar was like?

 

[CatYaaak]

Re: Jennings doc

Most of the major figures are dead now. It may never be known. People want closure on the assasination, but it may never come.

I don't want, or need, "closure on the assasination". By all accounts JFK was at best a mediocre president, not that popular (he won the election by the slimmest of margins, some say due to voter fraud thanks to his ganster daddy's influence in Chicago), and I was exactly 11 months old when he got whacked so therefore neither his life, or details of his death, hold any relevance for me. He's always been history-book material.

Unfortunately, as time goes on it seems the media is ever more intent..at times even desperate... on trying to force-feed this Kennedy-Cameolot-myth crap and how it "effected us as a nation" on those of us who, frankly, don't give a rat's-ass about JFK, RFK, or any of the Kennedy whelps who still clutter up the world. Old fossils like Rather, King, and Jennings beat the drum for this current parade of lemmings since they were ga-ga over him way back then.

There's definitely some kind of underlying, inate peasant mentality at work in those who try to sanctify a whole family (as if there were such a thing as an American aristocracy), and those who do nowadays were usually either very young when JFK was shot (thereby having their image of him frozen within the childlike world-view they held at the time) or weren't even alive but are the victims of having been brainwashed by the fawning aforementioned.

And if I hear one more time about how "America lost it's innocence that day in November of 63", I'm gonna puke. Sure, perhaps a few children/adolecents lost their innocence, but tell me how any ADULT at the time...who most likely grew up in the poverty and uncertainty of the Great Depression, saw the carnage and horrors of WW2, another the first hot war of the Cold War in Korea, the Iron Curtain go up, the age of atomic warfare dawn, and then be the first to live under the later, greater threat of thermonuclear armageddon.....lost their supposed "innocence" because somone plinked a fair-to-middlin' Chief Executive? Give me a friggin' break!

In the end, I hope the truth is never known, since it drives the Kennedy-worshipers crazy. It serves them right.