Congressional employee protection in mergers???

[Bill Nelson]

I heard there was a bill that would protect airline employees in mergers. Anyone have the bill number?

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Age 65 is going to keep all those losers on property during the mergers so they will have to work till they die after they lose whatever they had left in pay and benefit rules.

Justice!

 

[AA717driver]

I think that bill was sponsored by Claire McCaskill (MO) to try to force AA to lift the 5 year cutoff of recall rights for laidoff FA's.

It's being watered down and negotiated away as we speak. TC

 

[scarlet]

So why do people always vote the same people back in office and nothing changes?? (Mccain,Kerry,Kenndy,Libermann...)

 

[m80drvr]

Would have been a great idea enlight of the fact that the age 60 change doomed the junior pilots to furlough during the next round of consolidation. 1+1 never equals 2 in a merger.

But just look on the bright side, the senior captain at your airline will get to buy a new beach house while you get to collect unemployment. It's only fair.

 

[General Lee]

Would have been a great idea enlight of the fact that the age 60 change doomed the junior pilots to furlough during the next round of consolidation. 1+1 never equals 2 in a merger.

But just look on the bright side, the senior captain at your airline will get to buy a new beach house while you get to collect unemployment. It's only fair.

What happened to the actual flying pilots (not prior furloughed guys) during the USAir and AWA merger? No additional pilots were furloughed, thanks to very little overlap of routes or hubs. That is the benchmark for the future, because local politicans will get involved if their districts will lose jobs or air service thanks to a merger. It has to be seemless, or there will be an uproar in Washington, DC. I am not saying the aftermath of the USAir/AWA merger wasn't ridiculous with regards to seniority integration etc, but there were no additional furloughs because of the merger.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AA717driver]

So why do people always vote the same people back in office and nothing changes?? (Mccain,Kerry,Kenndy,Libermann...)

Because everybody thinks their guy is great and not lying to them. It's the other guy who's screwing us.

Nothing will change till we start voting against the incumbent every election till they start doing what they promised. TC

 

[HalinTexas]

http://mccaskill.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=289277&

Omnibus bills usually pass without much discussion or debate. This is where earmarks usually get stuck.

This bill applies to all airline workers, not just F/A's

I'm a little surprised this hasn't garnered more attention.

 

[cactusboy53]

"I am not saying the aftermath of the USAir/AWA merger wasn't ridiculous with regards to seniority integration etc,..."

Gen. Lee, I couldn't agree more. The fact that the #1 AWA pilot was placed at #518 is a slap in the face of the pilots for the air carrier that made it possible for this aquisition to take place.

That said, the merger process was followed completely. The final and binding award was agreed to by all parties, and that is the end of it.

 

[m80drvr]

What happened to the actual flying pilots (not prior furloughed guys) during the USAir and AWA merger? No additional pilots were furloughed, thanks to very little overlap of routes or hubs. That is the benchmark for the future, because local politicans will get involved if their districts will lose jobs or air service thanks to a merger. It has to be seemless, or there will be an uproar in Washington, DC. I am not saying the aftermath of the USAir/AWA merger wasn't ridiculous with regards to seniority integration etc, but there were no additional furloughs because of the merger.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Hey General

A little research may be in order. With the USAir merger BOTH sides have downsized. We carried hundreds of "extra" pilots due to the attrition that was occuring on BOTH sides. With absolutely no attrition going to occur for the next 4 years or so and the razor thin margins that airlines work under their is not a CEO in the country that is going to keep extra pilots. Wake up man, age 60 did alot more damage than most people think.

Maybe some east guy can tell you how many 73s and 75s they parked, on the west I believe we have parked aroud 10 737s.

 

[Heavy Set]

Hey General

A little research may be in order. With the USAir merger BOTH sides have downsized. We carried hundreds of "extra" pilots due to the attrition that was occuring on BOTH sides. With absolutely no attrition going to occur for the next 4 years or so and the razor thin margins that airlines work under their is not a CEO in the country that is going to keep extra pilots. Wake up man, age 60 did alot more damage than most people think.

Maybe some east guy can tell you how many 73s and 75s they parked, on the west I believe we have parked aroud 10 737s.

So, was anyone actually furloughed? Forget downsizing, any furloughed pilots?

 

[m80drvr]

So, was anyone actually furloughed? Forget downsizing, any furloughed pilots?

PLEASE read my post. NO, no one was furloughed. But a few hundred of pilots were kept on because they would soon be needed due to retirements. My point is that with the age 60 change, there are NO retirements for the near future, airline managements will not keep three hundred or so "extra" pilots for the next 4 years or so until the retirements kick in again.

The usair/awa merger was an anomoly to the industry due to the fact that the east pilot pool is older than dirt.

This is just my opinion, take it for what it's worth. But to blindly think that your company's management will protect you during a merger you are quite mistaken. And yes General, even mother Delta most likely NOT protect you if it costs them a dime. Unfortunately that is the era we live in.

 

[atrdriver]

Because everybody thinks their guy is great and not lying to them. It's the other guy who's screwing us.

Nothing will change till we start voting against the incumbent every election till they start doing what they promised. TC

No, best way to fix it is strict term limits. Let them worry about fixing the problems instead of trying to get re elected.

 

[General Lee]

PLEASE read my post. NO, no one was furloughed. But a few hundred of pilots were kept on because they would soon be needed due to retirements. My point is that with the age 60 change, there are NO retirements for the near future, airline managements will not keep three hundred or so "extra" pilots for the next 4 years or so until the retirements kick in again.

The usair/awa merger was an anomoly to the industry due to the fact that the east pilot pool is older than dirt.

This is just my opinion, take it for what it's worth. But to blindly think that your company's management will protect you during a merger you are quite mistaken. And yes General, even mother Delta most likely NOT protect you if it costs them a dime. Unfortunately that is the era we live in.

Are you talking to me or Heavy Set? The Age 65 rule change was a recent event that most people thought might happen next year or later. You can't bring that into this argument, unless you knew it was going to happen as soon as it did.

As far as being protected in a merger, I guess seniority helps. Also, our good ole MEC chairman at Dalpa keeps "bragging" that he could stop a merger if he wants to. Well, I would like to see that happen, and add some sort of pay restoration to that too, along with some sort of job protection. Hey, he was bragging that he could do it---we all want to see that, right? Can't wait.

Bye Bye--General Lee